the Eostre cult

[wopik]

Eostre, "goddess of Dawn"


According to Bede (c. 672 - 735), "Eosturmonath has a name which is now translated "Paschal month", and which was once called after a goddess of theirs named Eostre, in whose honour feasts were celebrated in that month. Now they designate that Paschal season by her name, calling the joys of the new rite by the time-honoured name of the old observance."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eostre


Another symbol sacred to Eostre is the Hare, which eventually became the Easter bunny of today. In the cult of Eostre, the hare was a symbol of fertility, a common tradition amongst Anglo-Saxon speakers.

The Christian church eventually took over the festival of Eostre, incorporating ancient customs into early Christianity. As the festival of Eostre was about celebrating life and re-birth, the Christians found it easy and convenient to exchange Eostre for their own symbol of re-birth, the resurrected Christ, while retaining the name Eostre or Easter.

http://myths.allinfoabout.com/feature64.html


Eostre worship consisted of: Ostern Hare, Ostara eggs, the Ostara sword, and hilltop ceremonies at dawn.


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What the early Church fathers accomplished by inserting the spring equinox into the calculation of the date of pascha was to cut the Passover loose from its moorings in Scripture and move it to the date of pagan Eastre.

Whether accidently or by intent, you decide.

[mcneely]

Wopik,

I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to do in this board. Are you trying to bring about some sort of an online reformation, or something?

Easter is a name. A word. That's all. It's a name given to a Christian celebration of Christ's death and ressurection. The notion that it's name is tied in with some alleged pagan Goddess does not make it evil.

Jesus was a common name around Christ's birth. Does that take anything away from him? Absolutely not. Names are just that. Names. What did God tell Moses to tell Pharoah when he went to him? That I AM sent him right? Does that make sense? Yes. Because God is the one and only true God. The word GOD is not his name. It's simply a word we use to address him. He doesen't have a name in the human sense. The word GOD was used of all sorts of pagan religions (and still is). Does that take away from God? They're just names, Wopik. Words.

---Justin

[mcneely]

Originally posted by wopik:
Eostre, "goddess of Dawn"


According to Bede (c. 672 - 735), "Eosturmonath has a name which is now translated "Paschal month", and which was once called after a goddess of theirs named Eostre, in whose honour feasts were celebrated in that month. Now they designate that Paschal season by her name, calling the joys of the new rite by the time-honoured name of the old observance."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eostre


Another symbol sacred to Eostre is the Hare, which eventually became the Easter bunny of today. In the cult of Eostre, the hare was a symbol of fertility, a common tradition amongst Anglo-Saxon speakers.

The Christian church eventually took over the festival of Eostre, incorporating ancient customs into early Christianity. As the festival of Eostre was about celebrating life and re-birth, the Christians found it easy and convenient to exchange Eostre for their own symbol of re-birth, the resurrected Christ, while retaining the name Eostre or Easter.

http://myths.allinfoabout.com/feature64.html


Eostre worship consisted of: Ostern Hare, Ostara eggs, the Ostara sword, and hilltop ceremonies at dawn.


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What the early Church fathers accomplished by inserting the spring equinox into the calculation of the date of pascha was to cut the Passover loose from its moorings in Scripture and move it to the date of pagan Eastre.

Whether accidently or by intent, you decide. I see virtually no similarities in the Christian celebration of Easter.

---justin

[Jarthur001]

Originally posted by mcneely:
Wopik,

I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to do in this board. Are you trying to bring about some sort of an online reformation, or something?

Easter is a name. A word. That's all. It's a name given to a Christian celebration of Christ's death and ressurection. The notion that it's name is tied in with some alleged pagan Goddess does not make it evil.

Jesus was a common name around Christ's birth. Does that take anything away from him? Absolutely not. Names are just that. Names. What did God tell Moses to tell Pharoah when he went to him? That I AM sent him right? Does that make sense? Yes. Because God is the one and only true God. The word GOD is not his name. It's simply a word we use to address him. He doesen't have a name in the human sense. The word GOD was used of all sorts of pagan religions (and still is). Does that take away from God? They're just names, Wopik. Words.

---Justin YES..one has to wonder what is up with some of these post.

Yet..I will reply without reading the links.

One day of the year is just like any day of the year, until we place value on it. Its not what others have done with a day, or name for that matter, It is more what do we do that counts.

Case in point..halloween. Some run from this day and say it is the day of the devil...very evil. I say, why give any day to the devil. Why let him take a perfectly made day, made my God, and let the "evil one" have his way. On the day others call halloween I can call Oct 31st and can praise my God as well as any other day. If you give Oct 31st to the devil by saying it is that day that he trys to do this that and the other..a evil day...then he will glady take it. He wins..and you loss your joy....and fear wins over Gods love that has more power then a name of a day.

Easter no matter how it was used in the pass....how it is used today by some....or what the word comes from...matters little. what matters is what you do with that day...just as any other day. What does Easter mean to you?


In Christ...James

[Jim1999]

Tomorrow is Palm Sunday, and I trust you will all attend church and bring home the palm leafe the vicar passes out to begin Easter Week. We will have morning prayer services at the church each morning at 7:AM and on Friday we will fast and prayer to remember Christ as He suffered on the cross for us. On Sunday, Easter Sunday, we shall carry an empty cross through the village streets to show the world that Christ is risen. We celebrate a living Christ. That is what Easter means to me. Call it what you will.

Cheers, and God bless,

Jim

[Jarthur001]

Originally posted by Jim1999:
Tomorrow is Palm Sunday, and I trust you will all attend church and bring home the palm leafe the vicar passes out to begin Easter Week. We will have morning prayer services at the church each morning at 7:AM and on Friday we will fast and prayer to remember Christ as He suffered on the cross for us. On Sunday, Easter Sunday, we shall carry an empty cross through the village streets to show the world that Christ is risen. We celebrate a living Christ. That is what Easter means to me. Call it what you will.

Cheers, and God bless,

Jim There is nothing wrong with traditions if done in the right way. Traditions can add much to worship and help teach very good truths and great value to children. I practice many tradtions with my family. For years our family would get up early on Good Friday and go down to the river to eat breakfast. This was not a “fun” time, for most of the time it was kind of cool and a few times snowing. We cooked out…and ate. We did this …with this thought in mine…..What mind frame was the apostles in, the next morning after Christ death. What He had taught them about Johan being in the belly of a fish 3 days…and the building of the temple in 3 days..had not been completely understood by them. They were not sure what to do…what to say to each other…or where to go. The Christ they had followed…was put to death. NOW WHAT?

I feel like most of them went back to the Sea of Galilee, because this is what some of them did for a living. In that day…fishermen would gather by the Sea of Galilee and have breakfast together before they went out to sea. Others in the towns near by would join them. This is why I had my family do this. We eat…looked at the river..and said very little telling our girls to think about Christ and his death. We then prayed and thanked God for sending His Son to die for our sins.

We also sang..
”At the cross…at the cross…where I 1st found the light….and the burdens of my heart rolled away….

And…

On a hill…far away…stood a old rugged cross…

We had many other tradtions at Christmas to many to tell at this posting. The bad thing that can happen with traditions is that they can be looked at as being holy…or things that must be done in order to be holy. I always took the time to tell my girls that this was something that WE (mom and dad) did to remember what Christ did for us…and someday they MAY want to do this…or they may want to do other things. I told them…whatever you end up doing..make show it is for the right reasons. Traditions are not to be looked at as being a holy thing to do.

For Easter as a young boy, we always bought new suits. My dad said we did this, for Christ gave us a chance to have a NEW life in Him. My new suit was teaching me about a new life in Christ..being pure…and clean from ALL sin.

Anyway..Those are my thoughts on this. I would love to hear from others what they remember about Easter past.


In Christ…James

[mcneely]

Are you sure you weren't just barbequing chickens? Offerings for Eoster, the dreaded Goddess of dawn?!? :D graemlins/laugh.gif

---Justin

[tamborine lady]

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I just refer to it as Resurection Day, because that is what happened on that day.

I agree with Wopik, it origionally started because somebody wanted to incorperate the worship of the goddess Eostre, (or Ishtar, as some call her), into the Christian observance of the rising of the body of Christ. And it worked.

But we don't have to give up the day, just call it by it's rightful name.

:D

Peace,

Tam

[JFox1]

On Easter Sunday, I will celebrate the resurrection of Christ and not some pagan goddess of the dawn. The days of the week are named after pagan deities. For example, Thursday is Thor's Day, the Norse god of thunder. Very few people still worship the Norse gods. Should we change the days of the week because of that? I think not.

[Bro. James]

Easter is a pagan holiday observed by "nominal" Christians. The origins can be traced to the days of Nimrod.

Easter Sunday is a double pagan "whammy". Some call it Resurrection Sunday. If one checks the chronology of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection, one will find that He was not crucified on a Friday, but rather a Wednesday. He arose three days and nights later--Saturday.

The scripture says He was gone when the women arrived at the tomb on the dawn of the first day of the week--Sunday.

So we have the traditions of men, mostly pagan in origin--of course, they are probably sincere. The question is: Does God accept pagan idolatry? Now what?

You decide.

Selah,

Bro. James

[eloidalmanutha]

it's interesting, but no one in the NT celebrated the resurrection of Jesus. He is Risen. We do not need a season or a day to remind us. He lives within us. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Do we not repent daily of our sins? in that moment, does not the sacrifice of Jesus remind us of what He did? why do we need to "suffer" a day to remind us in sackcloth and ashes?

Jesus said, Do this in remembrance of Me. Say what? When you eat this bread and drink this cup, you remember My death til I return. Very simple, very clear.

[Jim1999]

Happy Easter to one and all.

God bless,

Jim

[Jarthur001]

Originally posted by Bro. James:
Easter is a pagan holiday observed by "nominal" Christians. The origins can be traced to the days of Nimrod.

Easter Sunday is a double pagan "whammy". Some call it Resurrection Sunday. If one checks the chronology of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection, one will find that He was not crucified on a Friday, but rather a Wednesday. He arose three days and nights later--Saturday.

The scripture says He was gone when the women arrived at the tomb on the dawn of the first day of the week--Sunday.

So we have the traditions of men, mostly pagan in origin--of course, they are probably sincere. The question is: Does God accept pagan idolatry? Now what?

You decide.

Selah,

Bro. James Bro. James...nice name.

Does your church even have a piano and organ or is this allowed?

In Christ...James

[Bro. James]

Worship with or without musical instruments--we do have a piano--we have functioned without a piano. Make a joyful noise to the Lord.

Now what?

Selah,

Bro. James

[Chemnitz]

You know what? I think all of this anti-easter & Christmas rhetoric is because some people are so afraid of looking like a Catholic they will bad mouth the name of a holiday, just so they can prove to all their anticatholic buddies that they are good little anticatholics.

All of this is absolute garbage dreamed up by anticatholic bigots who want to make catholics and other christians look like pagans and themselves personally as the only "real" christians. I for one am sick of it. Get a life people nobody in the Christian church will be celebrating some pagan diety on Easter.

[Jarthur001]

You can "trace" piano's and organs being 1st used outside of the Church. Does this boughter you, being you trace Easter to pagan days?

Organs were used 1st in bars and in side shows. Even today we see piano's in bars and used buy wicked rock bands. Does this tie to the world in its evil ways boughter you?

The internet has been shown to by many as the number one tool to get porn. Also, Message boards such as the one you just left a post on, have been tied to those sick people trying to get to our kids. Does it boughter you that there are ties to evil ways and even sin with the internet and yet you use it to post your thoughts?

If these things do not boughter you, for it is the way in which YOU yourself use the piano, organ, and internet that matters then why would it matter how others used Easter EVEN IF IT WAS WRONG in the past, if they use it to bring glory to God?


In Christ..James

[Jarthur001]

Originally posted by Chemnitz:
You know what? I think all of this anti-easter & Christmas rhetoric is because some people are so afraid of looking like a Catholic they will bad mouth the name of a holiday, just so they can prove to all their anticatholic buddies that they are good little anticatholics.

All of this is absolute garbage dreamed up by anticatholic bigots who want to make catholics and other christians look like pagans and themselves personally as the only "real" christians. I for one am sick of it. Get a life people nobody in the Christian church will be celebrating some pagan diety on Easter. I think it is deeper....
Its called living in fear. If we live by the law, we live in fear of the law and the law keeps growing and growing as more and more things get linked to the law. This is the ways of the OT and this is what happened to the jews. In the NT grace is to rule our life and remove fear as we rest in Christ not our works. Living under the law our joy can only come if WE do something. Yet under grace our joy is in Christ.

Just as you see above, people pick and choose what laws they want.

In Christ....James

[Eliyahu]

I think P Jensen made a good study on this in his book Cosmologie der Babylonier.

I have no doubt that the Easter or Eostre was originated from paganism, even though it may be used by some true believers without understanding what is really means.

http://www.cwru.edu/univlib/preserve/Etana/JAST.REL/JAST.REL721.738.pdf#search='P%20Jensen%20Cosmologi e%20der%20Babylonier'


I wonder why People do not like to call the day of Resurrection as Resurrection Day or Day of Resurrection, instead of calling it as Easter Day.

We should not celebrate the day in the name of Easter or Eostre, the pagan goddess.

God is neither glorified nor mocked in that way.

[ April 10, 2006, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: Eliyahu ]

[Eliyahu]

We already dealt with this paganism:

http://www.yahweh.com/booklets/EASTER/easter.htm

http://www.ldolphin.org/ishtar.html

http://www.retakingamerica.com/easter_and_ishtar.html

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t020.html

http://deoxy.org/gaia/goddess.htm

http://www.av1611.org/kjv/easter2.html

http://www.dragonrest.net/histories/ishtar.html

http://www.ishtartemple.org/sacredIshtar.htm

http://www.ishtartemple.org/history.htm

[rbell]

Happy Easter, everyone!

[Chemnitz]

Eliyahu, I can see one group of known liars in your listing of sources. "Dial-the-Truth" (www.av1611.org) has knowingly altered lyrics to get them to say what they wish in order to make them look incriminating.

I have no reason to change from using Easter because in modern parlance it is synonymous with resurrection, not some pagan god.

[Jarthur001]

Is the resurrestion day in may this year?

[Jim1999]

Ascension Day is May 25th.

Cheers,

Jim

[Jarthur001]

That's right...Easter is in April

April-- Aphrodite's month

Old English April(is)
Latin Aprilis
Etruscan Apru
Greek Aphro, short for Aphrodite.


Aphrodite is the Greek goddess of love and beauty. She is identified with the Roman goddess Venus.

I wonder if its ok to use this word (April)...or should we remove it because of the way others have used it? Should ladies that have the name April change their name?

This could get very silly if we let it. The fact is everything can be linked to some kinda sin. This is a sinful world. A lady with the name April can be a very Godly Lady if she follows God. She is not doomed to go wrong, because of that name.

Folks...a day is what YOU make of it. I remember in the 70s that some Churches took their rainbow off of their Church logo, because of the Rainbow people. God was the one that made the rainbow...it was the rainbow people that MADE it stand for bad things. But i...or you...or any one...any church can place their only value on the rainbow...and use it in a good way

Easter is what YOU make of it. If you fear it...you give it to the devil. The day should not be worshipped..that is wrong. But to set aside a day..when we all can remember what HE did for us...there is nothing wrong with this. If you need to change the name to your liking...so be it. But do not live in fear of a day...because of what others have done with it.

[wopik]

The Bible is the source for all things Christian.

Does the Bible mention Easter? Yes.

Notice Acts 12:1. King Herod began to persecute the Church, culminating
in the brutal death of the apostle James by sword. This pleased the Jews so
much that the apostle Peter was also taken prisoner by Herod. The plan was to
later deliver him to the Jews.

Verse 3 says, “Then were the days of unleavened
bread.”


The New Testament Church was observing these feast days described
in Leviticus 23.


Now read verse 4: “And when he [Herod] had apprehended
him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions [sixteen] of
soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.”


Is this Bible authority for Easter?

This passage is not talking about Easter. How do we know?

The word translated Easter is the Greek word pascha (derived from the Hebrew word
pesach; there is no original Greek word for Passover), and it has only one
meaning. It always means Passover — it can never mean Easter!


http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:UsqrQE8I2RoJ:www.thercg.org/books/ttooe.pdf+meet+with+your+sagacities+and+i+myself&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=11" (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:UsqrQE8I2RoJ:www.thercg.org/books/ttooe.pdf+meet+with+your+sagacities+and+i+myself&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=11)

[Eliyahu]

Originally posted by Jarthur001:
That's right...Easter is in April

April-- Aphrodite's month
Do we celebrate the Aphrodite's month? Do we gather together in the name of Aphrodite ?
Yes, there can be problems even with Sunday or Saturday. You can find the big difference in the degree of perversion. God is Judge.

[Jim1999]

Oh no! The curse is on me for using the evil word...*whisper* Easter..........My page has gone too wide to read. Funny, it is only tis thread....I re-pant, I re-pant!

Cheers,

Jim

[Chemnitz]

Do we celebrate the Aphrodite's month? Do we gather together in the name of Aphrodite ?
Yes, there can be problems even with Sunday or Saturday. You can find the big difference in the degree of perversion. God is Judge. Bit of a double standard isn't it? Considering none who celebrate Easter are gathering in the name of ishtar or any other pagan goddess you can think of.

[rbell]

Just thought I'd drop my daily HAPPY EASTER in this thread...

[Jim1999]

Yes, Happy Easter, rbell.

Cheers,

Jim

[Eliyahu]

Happy Easter? Sounds like Happy Ishtar ! She may be happy with her children !

[Linda64]

From Way of Life Encyclopedia

EASTER

An occasion observed by many Christians commemorating the resurrection of Christ. It is observed on the Sunday immediately after the first full moon that occurs on or after March 21. Originally Easter was a pagan holiday in the name of the goddess of spring, but it was "Christianized" by the Catholic Church and adapted to the remembrance of Christ's resurrection. Sunrise services are adaptations of the ancient worship of the sun.

The entire Easter celebration is extra-biblical. "Good Friday," which is the supposed day that Christ died, is fictitious in that Christ could not have died on Friday. He was three days and three nights in the tomb (Mt 12:40; 16:21; 17:22-23; 20:17-19; 27:62-64; Lu 24:1-8; Joh 2:19). He arose before daylight on Sunday morning at the end of the sabbath (Joh 20:1; Mt 28:1; Mr 16:2). Thus he must have been crucified on Wednesday or Thursday. The Jewish day begins in the evening (Ge 1:5,8,13,19,23).
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We call Easter "Resurrection Sunday" at our church. It's a great time to witness because there are alot of people who only go to church 2 days out of the year--Easter & Christmas.

[wopik]

Hi, Linda


Seems like the Church became unmoored from the Passover -- from Jesus' timing for keeping Passover (day and time of day) ---


the evening at the beginning of Nisan 14


In one letter to the mostly gentile Corinthian Church, Paul tells them to IMITATE him as he IMITATES Christ (1Cor. 11:1). Paul goes on to explain: "For I have received OF THE LORD that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which He was betrayed took bread........."


1Cor.
11:1
"Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ."


The "foot washing", the "bread and wine", "the night He was betrayed" were all parts of the Passover examples that Jesus gave us.


IMITATE me as I IMITATE Christ - 1Cor. 11:1

[wopik]

King Constantine followed in the footsteps of King Jeroboam.


King Constantine counterfeited one of God's holy Days: Passover (changing the time it was observed).


King Jeroboam counterfeited one of God's holy Days: the Feast of Tabernacles.


Instead of having the children of Israel, who were under his jurisdiction, go down to Jerusalem to keep the Feast on the 15th day of the seventh month, Jeroboam ordained a new Feast of Tabernacles to be observed on the 15th day of the eighth month -- "which he had devised of his own heart" (1Kings 12:26-33).


Jeroboam incurred divine wrath by building, in Dan and Bethel, shrines to rival the Jerusalem Temple.

Jeroboam's "royal cult set the pattern for his successors, who are customarily evaluated as perpetuating his SIN (1Kgs. 16:26)."


The New Bible Dictionary, Eerdmans Publishing Co., article: Jeroboam.


Thus Jeroboam became distinguished as the man "who made Israel to sin." This policy was followed by all the succeeding kings of Israel.

[Eliyahu]

Even though I don't celebrate it, if anyone wants to celebrate this season, they can call it either Passover or Resurrection Day.

Gal 4:10-11
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

[wopik]

Resurrection of Jesus ---


http://www.abcog.org/ntsab.htm - Resurrection of Jesus tape. This weekend only. Just click and listen.


http://www.borntowin.net/radioarchives.aspx" (http://www.borntowin.net/radioarchives.aspx) --Born to Win tapes

[Claudia_T]

the bible doesnt say when the resurrection of Christ happened, no date. Therefore there is no reason why you cannot celebrate christmas or easter any day of the year. Nor does the bible say when Christ was born.

The sabbath is different. God told us specifically when the sabbath is, He also warned against keeping the commandments of men. The catholic church said no, we are going to change the sabbath day God made to a different day, as if we were God.


as long as you celebrate these holidays minus the pagan trimmings there is nothing at all wrong with it.

God is glorified when we remember and commemorate the birth and death of Christ.

what if the Wiccan witchcraft church decided tomorrow that every saturday was the sabbath. Would you stop keeping the sabbath then?

understand?

what if tommorrow the satanic church decided to bring in a vase of flowers every day and set it on the coffee table to celebrate satan? would you stop putting vases of flowers on your coffee table?

we cant base our religion on what other people do that is wrong, we have to base our religion on what the Bible tells us to do that is right.

Claudia

[Eliyahu]

For me, 365days are Sabbath Day and Lord's Day, all the days throughout my life will be Lord's Day. I take the rest in Him throughout my life, then He works all the time for me, and on behalf of me. The only thing that I have to do is to praise my Lord Jesus Christ who is Wonderful and Peace.

[wopik]

Easter is not of God, despite the great affection and allegiance to it that most Christians have. It is nothing more than a Christianized version of an ancient pagan fertility festival that dates all the way back to Babylon.

To all you sincere and earnest followers of Jesus, I encourage you to humble yourselves and at least look into the origins of Easter. You needn't go any farther than credited, secular sources like the Encyclopedia Britannica. And by all means, explore and try out the biblical festivals. They are prescribed by God and are full of the rich symbolism and prophecy of Messiah's life and death and coming again.

O LORD, my strength and my stronghold, And my refuge in the day of distress, To You the nations will come From the ends of the earth and say, "Our fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood, Futility and things of no profit." Can man make gods for himself? Yet they are not gods! Therefore behold, I am going to make them know-- This time I will make them know My power and My might; And they shall know that My name is the LORD. Jer 16:19

[wopik]

I'll tell you why the world celebrates Easter and Christmas. It's because these holidays from their inception were simply age-old pagan festivals that were Christianized to welcome in all the various religions into the fold of the emerging faith.

It's time that we come out of Babylon, brothers and sisters. God is holy and He has prescribed how He desires to be worshipped.

Let us cast off the vain and worthless traditions that we have inherited from our fathers and walk in the ancient paths of God, for therein lies the blessing.

[wopik]

For me, 365days are Sabbath Day ...........But when do you work? if every day is the Sabbath day to you, when do you work?

[webdog]

The entire Easter celebration is extra-biblical. "Good Friday," which is the supposed day that Christ died, is fictitious in that Christ could not have died on Friday. He was three days and three nights in the tomb (Mt 12:40; 16:21; 17:22-23; 20:17-19; 27:62-64; Lu 24:1-8; Joh 2:19). He arose before daylight on Sunday morning at the end of the sabbath (Joh 20:1; Mt 28:1; Mr 16:2). Thus he must have been crucified on Wednesday or Thursday. The Jewish day begins in the evening (Ge 1:5,8,13,19,23).This is false. Any part of a day was considered a full day, and the phrase "day and night" meant "day". Christ died on Friday, rose Sunday, which would have been counted as "three days".

[Eliyahu]

Originally posted by webdog:
This is false. Any part of a day was considered a full day, and the phrase "day and night" meant "day". Christ died on Friday, rose Sunday, which would have been counted as "three days". [/QB]Was Jesus wrong in His prediction?
Matt 12:40

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Friday night and Saturday night means only 2 nights. How could you compromise this?

[webdog]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by webdog:
This is false. Any part of a day was considered a full day, and the phrase "day and night" meant "day". Christ died on Friday, rose Sunday, which would have been counted as "three days". Was Jesus wrong in His prediction?
Matt 12:40

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Friday night and Saturday night means only 2 nights. How could you compromise this? [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Adam Clarke explains this well...

Three days and three nights - Our Lord rose from the grave on the day but one after his crucifixion: so that, in the computation in this verse, the part of the day on which he was crucified, and the part of that on which he rose again, are severally estimated as an entire day; and this, no doubt, exactly corresponded to the time in which Jonah was in the belly of the fish. Our Lord says, As Jonah was, so shall the Son of man be, etc. Evening and morning, or night and day, is the Hebrew phrase for a natural day, which the Greeks termed νυχθημερον, nuchthemeron. The very same quantity of time which is here termed three days and three nights, and which, in reality, was only one whole day, a part of two others, and two whole nights, is termed three days and three nights, in the book of Esther: Go; neither eat nor drink Three Days, Night or Day, and so I will go in unto the king: Est_4:16. Afterwards it follows, Est_5:1. On the Third Day, Esther stood in the inner court of the king’s house. Many examples might be produced, from both the sacred and profane writers, in vindication of the propriety of the expression in the text. For farther satisfaction, the reader, if he please, may consult Whitby and Wakefield, and take the following from Lightfoot.
“I. The Jewish writers extend that memorable station of the unmoving sun, at Joshua’s prayer, to six and thirty hours; for so Kimchi upon that place: ‘According to more exact interpretation, the sun and moon stood still for six and thirty hours: for when the fight was on the eve of the Sabbath, Joshua feared lest the Israelites might break the Sabbath; therefore he spread abroad his hands, that the sun might stand still on the sixth day, according to the measure of the day of the Sabbath, and the moon according to the measure of the night of the Sabbath, and of the going out of the Sabbath, which amounts to six and thirty hours.’
“II. If you number the hours that pass from our Savior’s giving up the ghost upon the cross to his resurrection, you shall find almost the same number of hours; and yet that space is called by him three days and three nights, whereas two nights only came between, and one complete day. Nevertheless, while he speaks these words, he is not without the consent both of the Jewish schools and their computation. Weigh well that which is disputed in the tract Scabbath, concerning the separation of a woman for three days; where many things are discussed by the Gemarists, concerning the computation of this space of three days. Among other things these words occur: R. Ismael saith, Sometimes it contains four אונות onoth, sometimes five, sometimes six. But how much is the space of an אונה onah? R. Jochanan saith, Either a day or a night. And so also the Jerusalem Talmud: ‘R. Akiba fixed a Day for an onah, and a Night for an onah.’ But the tradition is, that R. Eliazar ben Azariah said, A day and a night make an onah: and a Part of an onah is as the Whole. And a little after, R. Ismael computed a part of the onah for the whole.” Thus, then, three days and three nights, according to this Jewish method of reckoning, included any part of the first day; the whole of the following night; the next day and its night; and any part of the succeeding or third day.

[mcneely]

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You know what? I don't know whether I should laugh, or slap myself. I've never heard of so many over-analytical Christian conspiracy theories in my life! This group is a cult, that group is a cult, this holiday is pagan, beware the pagans!! Don't celebrate that holiday, It's pagan! Don't step on the tile, it's hot lava! SHEESH!!

THIS IS E-A-S-T-E-R we're talking about!! Remember? We celebrate it because Christ rose from the grave? Ring any bells?

Hey, my name is Justin. Wasn't there an evil pagan Catholic man called Justin Martyr? Oh no! I have to change my name! Curse my parents for naming me that! :rolleyes: Oh brother!
I believe one of the greatest underused gifts that God gave us is common sense.

[Eliyahu]

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Your post never explains why 2 nights become 3 nights while it may explain 3 days.

I am familiar with that type of calculation, but in this case Jesus declared clearly that he was going to spend 3 nights and then arise on the third day, which means "on the fourth day" is too long, but there must be 3 nights.

Your quote on Esther doesn't specify 3 days and 3 nights. If Jesus said simply "on the third day" then it is OK.
However, Jesus' statement is more specific, and the Jewish custom support the multiple Sabbath, High Sabbath and Regular Sabbath, and Matt 28:1 states it!

[Eric B]

The "high sabbath", I had heard, was when the annual sabbath fell on the weekly sabbath, so there may have been only one sabbath after all.