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Kathy
06-28-2001, 12:55 AM
I am a member of a Southern Baptist Church in Miami Florida and have been since 1997. I moved to Ohio 4 months ago (very small town) and I cannot for the life of me find a Baptist Church that I want to attend!! Anyway, I've been asking around and was invited to attend a church by the name of "Grace Brethren Church". I want to go because they meet some of my criteria which is the simple fact that I have small children that I would like attended to while I am in church service so that I can receive my spiritual food uninterrupted, however, I do believe that I should volunteer my time periodically so that other parents can have the same luxury. Does anyone know anything about the Brethren church? Are there any "oddities" I should know about before I go? I really want to go to a Baptist Church, but I have been unsuccessful in finding one that meets my family's needs. Most churches seem to have the same beliefs as Baptists, even the cults (Mormonism seems very Christian when first introduced until you begin to study it's origin). I just don't want to get drawn into false doctrine. HELP!!! ANYONE!!! Thanks!
Take Care & Be God's
Kathy<>< :confused:

Joseph_Botwinick
06-28-2001, 01:11 AM
Kathy,

If this is the same church you are referring to, this is a statement of their faith that I found on their website: http://ashlandgbc.org/statemnt.html

Hope this helps,

Joseph

Kathy
06-28-2001, 01:28 AM
Thank you SOOOO MUCH JBotwinick...I really LOVE my Baptist brothers and sisters in Christ!
:D

rlvaughn
06-28-2001, 07:20 AM
The Handbook of Denominations in the United States lists 11 groups in the Brethren faith. Judging by the name and location, the church you mention is probably part of either the Ashland Grace Brethren that Joseph mentions above, or the
Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches (http://www.fgbc.org). According to the handbook, the Ashland group is more Arminian, and this group is more Calvinistic; although the Calvinist/Arminian classification is not very exact for Brethren churches.

[ June 28, 2001: Message edited by: rlvaughn ]

rlvaughn
06-28-2001, 02:44 PM
Kathy, I have read over the statements of faith of the Ashland church, the Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches, and the Grace Brethren Church (http://www.gracebrethren.org). There are not many things on them that you could not find in some Baptist statement of faith (although the way they put these things into practice could vary widely). Two things in particular stood out - (1) they baptize by trine immersion (plunging face forward three times for the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost); and (2) they incorporate a love feast into the communion service in addition to the bread and cup and feetwashing.

If I am not mistaken, J. N. Darby and C. I. Scofield were both connected with the Brethren churches. They popularized dispensational pretribulational premillennialism, which is very prevalent today. I just mention them as names you might recognize.

[ June 28, 2001: Message edited by: rlvaughn ]

Kathy
06-28-2001, 03:02 PM
If I may ask rlvaughn, if you were in my situation, would you check out the church or would you run in the opposite direction? You see, I told my mother-in-law (whom I do not hold as an esteemed spiritual leader anyway) the name of the church I was planning on visiting and she said quote: "Brethren? They are weird, like Jehovah's Witnesses" I myself was once aligned with Jehovah's Witnesses and I do not think they are weird, I just found I no longer agreed with their perception of the Bible, nor did I agree with their "version" of the Bible...but they are not "weird" people because I was never weird. They are extremely committed to their faith and what they believe, unfortuately, I don't believe it is correct. BUT, I do think that their attitude towards service to the Lord is great, it is just displaced unfortunately.
As far as reading their statement of Faith, I also read it and found no major differences in what I myself believe based on what I have learned in my Baptist church...but Mormonism's statement of Faith is very similar to Baptist as well, it's when you dig deeper you find the major inconsistencies! Anyway...I really do appreciate the time you took to look up that information, you went beyond what I asked simply because you attempted to familiarize yourself with the denomination and that says alot about who you are as a person. I'm blessed to have traded posts with you!

P.S. I've e-mailed the website you talk about (Ashland) and I'm waiting to hear from them to see if they are aligned with the Church I plan to visit because they are not in their "directory"...however, I live in a VERY small rural farming town, so that may be why. Thanks again!
Take Care & Be God's
Kathy<>< :D

Squire Robertsson
06-28-2001, 11:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rlvaughn (and severly snipped by the Squire)
If I am not mistaken, J. N. Darby and C. I. Scofield were both connected with the Brethren churches. They popularized dispensational pretribulational premillennialism, which is very prevalent today. I just mention them as names you might recognize.
[June 28, 2001: Message edited by: rlvaughn]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As I recall, Darby and Scofield were Plymouth Brethren. The PBs do not practice the Lord's supper described above nor did the ones I associated with practice footwashing. So, I think we are dealing with at least two different Brethren movements.

DocCas
06-28-2001, 11:42 PM
Most of the various Brethren groups fall into one of two camps. The Plymouth Brethren, or Darbyites. They descend from the English Brethren. This group consisted of people who were disenchanted with the imposed ritualism of the Church of England and the State Church system. History records they first began meeting in Dublin, Ireland around 1827, having broken away from the local Anglican Communion. Darby was a Anglican clergyman who led the original English congregation from 1830 onward.

Most of the rest of those calling themselves Brethren trace their roots to Germany and the old Baptist Brethren of that country. These groups go by several names in this country, most notably Church of the Brethren (Conservative Dunkers) [Note: Dunker is derived from the German word "tunken" meaning "to dip or immerse" and is related to the other German words used to describe baptism, "Tunkers", "Taufers," and "Dompelaars"], Brethren Church (Progressive Dunkers), Old German Baptist Brethren (Old Order Dunkers), and Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches. These groups were originally knows simply as "German Baptists" or "German Baptist Brethren."

The latter group is not all that different from Baptists in doctrine and practice. smile.gif

rlvaughn
06-29-2001, 11:06 AM
First, let me agree with Bros. Keith and Thomas on Darby and Scofield. They were connected with the Plymouth Brethren, a group not historically connected with the Brethren of whom who ask. They are of German origin.

Now, Kathy, as to your question, "if you were in my situation, would you check out the church or would you run in the opposite direction?" I am not sure that I could put forward what I would do as an example of what you should do, but here goes. I first would look for churches of my like faith and order. If I found none, as in your case, I would consider the possibilities of organizing one. I personally would not go to the Brethren church, because I am Baptist through and through (Baptist born and Baptist bred, and when I die I'm Baptist dead ;) ). But I DO NOT agree with your mother-in-law that the Brethren are weird. I would be most concerned as to what they really believe about salvation of the soul. I would be afraid that some of the German Brethren churches hold Arminian positions of salvation - adding works to grace and the possibility of falling from grace. I would recommend that you check this out carefully before going too far into this.

rlvaughn
06-30-2001, 09:13 PM
Kathy, I have found another website that seems to be a different Brethren group from the ones we have mentioned previously. It is here (http://www.brethrenchurch.org). I am not sufficiently versed on the Brethren to be sure. There is a page on this site that talks about a 1939 division among Brethren churches. Anyway, I thought this might be of some help. smile.gif

Kathy
07-01-2001, 12:17 AM
Thank You Thank YOU!!! Thanks so much for taking the time to get this information for me! I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT!!!

P.S. I may have found a Baptist church...I'll let you all know tomorrow :D

Kathy
07-01-2001, 10:35 PM
UPDATE: I attended the Baptist church I found just one day ago today. I went to SS and worship service, then I went back for the evening service (which was the Lord's Supper) and they met EVERY single need I had been praying for! And GET THIS! The Pastor, before beginning his sermon, announced that he and the two interim Pastors had been praying (and weeping) just this week for God to send them some more people to the church and there we were! What a blessing to be an answer to their prayers! I was not referred to this church, nor did I intend to attend...I was really and truly going to check out that Grace Brethren Church today and when I drove by the Baptist Church, I felt that I should go there instead...It was God speaking to my heart, sending me there! I owe Him so much and I love Him so much...I want to make Him so proud of me and I want to serve Him in any way I can. I thank all of you who helped me in getting information, your help was a blessing and reminded me of how important it is for us Christians to have fellowship with each other. THANK YOU SO MUCH I LOVE YOU ALL!
Take Care & Be God's
Kathy &lt;&gt;&lt; smile.gif :D ;) :cool:

David W
07-03-2001, 06:01 PM
The Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches is a staunchly baptistic, conservative, formerly fundamental organization. DO NOT confuse them with Church of the Brethren, Brethren church, etc...

I graduated from Grace College, Winona Lake, IN in 1984, their College. Grace Theological Seminary is their Seminary. Currently they would fit in with the more conservative wing of the evangelical crowd. For instance, at their prophecy conference next week, some of the names are Elwood McQuaid, some one from Dallas Theological Seminary, and Don Wyrtzen is doing music (Word of Life)

Some famous Grace Brethren include Alva McClain, deceased, one of the scholars involved in the New Scofield, John Whitcombe, a leading scholar on Genesis and creation issues, Herman Hoyt author of many books, John Davis, a leading archealogist and author of many books on Genesis,and Homer Kent. A Grace Brethren evangelist, Dr. Humberd, now deceased was frequently mentioned and had sermon quotes in the Sword of the Lord.

They do practice triine immersion forwards, and foot washing, other than that they would be baptistic. When I was at Grace, we had large amounts of GARBC kids there, Independent churches, as well as Grace Brethren. They are Calvinistic. They split from the Ashland Brethren in the 1940's over modernism in the church.