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wopik
01-15-2005, 04:04 PM
"I personally believe he was crucified on Wednesday evening ... and rose after 6 p.m. Saturday evening," Jerry Falwell tells WorldNetDaily.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24908

C4K
01-15-2005, 04:12 PM
I don't have big problem with that.

Joseph_Botwinick
01-15-2005, 04:34 PM
irrelevant.

Joseph Botwinick

wopik
01-15-2005, 04:36 PM
The actual times of Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection are not universally agreed on.

"I personally believe he was crucified on Wednesday evening ... and rose after 6 p.m. Saturday evening," Falwell tells WorldNetDaily.

"Others believe he died on Friday ... But the point is, he did rise on Sunday, which, in Jewish tradition, started the evening before at 6 p.m."

Jerry Falwell is among those who believe which day is chosen is not of great significance. "I don't think Saturday or Sunday are more sacred than other days," he says. He also points out there have been so many calendar changes over the years, chronologists are not even certain that a day of the week in the 21st century matches the same day from centuries ago.

http://www.sweenytod.com/rno/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=789


The Chronology of Christ's Crucifixion
& Resurrection
http://www.centuryone.com/crucifixion.html

C4K
01-15-2005, 04:41 PM
I don't understand the significance of this thread.

wopik
01-15-2005, 04:53 PM
I don't understand the significance of this thread.
Hi,C4K ----

Biblical evidence does NOT point to a Friday Crucifixion.

Jerry Falwell knows what most Christians do not know --- Jesus died late Wednesday afternoon, before sunset --- and rose late Saturday afternoon, before sunset.

C4K
01-15-2005, 04:58 PM
I don't know how many people really hold definitely to a Friday crucifixion. I can see arguements for Wednesday or Thursday.

BTW, Falwell says it was AFTER 6.00, making the resurrection on Sunday, which started then in the Jewish calendar.

But, does it matter?

wopik
01-15-2005, 05:02 PM
most of christiandom goes to church on sunday because they believe He rose on that day.

if He did not, that tosses in the bucket the AUTHORITY for sunday.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_05071998_dies-domini_en.html

Jim1999
01-15-2005, 05:04 PM
We will never resolve the time and day issue on this question. Do consider the Jewish reckoning of time,,,where a part of a day is considered as a full day...so, three days and three nights may only be portions thereof.

As others have said, the timing is irrelevant; the fact of the resurrection is not.

Cheers,

Jim

C4K
01-15-2005, 05:06 PM
Oh right I understand your agenda now.

It was "Sunday," which began after sunset on what is now Saturday. Which is exactly what Falwell said.

"I personally believe he was crucified on Wednesday evening ... and rose after 6 p.m. Saturday evening," Jerry Falwell tells WorldNetDaily. I didn't realise that this was going to be a sabbatarian thread. I thought the signicance was the crucifixion statement.

wopik
01-15-2005, 05:12 PM
...and rose after 6 pm 1) 6 pm is not the cut-off time for new days beginning --- sunset is.


2) Jesus' DEAD BODY was taken down BEFORE sunset, BEFORE the next day began. Therefore, Jesus would rise from the dead BEFORE Saturday was over.

C4K
01-15-2005, 05:14 PM
Disagree - but not going to argue here - neither one of us can prove our point.

If I had realised the agenda here I wouldn't have posted. You used Falwell to say something that you wanted him to say, not what he intended.

Ciao graemlins/wave.gif

wopik
01-15-2005, 05:25 PM
Don't be afraid of the truth C4K --- the truth is the only thing that really exists.

BobRyan
01-15-2005, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by wopik:
"I personally believe he was crucified on Wednesday evening ... and rose after 6 p.m. Saturday evening," Jerry Falwell tells WorldNetDaily.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24908 If Luke 24 is correct (and I believe it is) that Sunday during the day time IS the "THIRD day" since the crucifixion - then the crucifixion can not have been before Friday.

IMHO.

In Christ,

Bob

C4K
01-15-2005, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by wopik:
Don't be afraid of the truth C4K --- the truth is the only thing that really exists. Brother. those who disagree with you don't necessarily fear the truth.

If you choose to worship the Lord on Saturday, amen - praise the Lord you are worshipping Him.

Plain Old Bill
01-15-2005, 06:54 PM
So your making a point and hanging your hat on this for what reason?

Jim1999
01-15-2005, 08:49 PM
A.T. Robertson offers this chronology, based on Luke's version of the gospel:

Luke settles the matter pointedly by mentioning all the time between the crucifixion and the resurrection (Luke 23: 50-24:3) The burial tok place Friday afternoon just before the Sabbath drew on (Luke 23:54) The women rested on the Sabbath (Saturday) (Luke23:56), and went to the sepulchre early Sunday morning, the first day of the week (Luke 24:1) There is no escaping this piece of chronology...."

A Harmony of the Gospels, A.T. Robertson, 1922

Cheers,

Jim

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-17-2005, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by wopik:
The actual times of Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection are not universally agreed on.

"I personally believe he was crucified on Wednesday evening ... and rose after 6 p.m. Saturday evening," Falwell tells WorldNetDaily.

"Others believe he died on Friday ... But the point is, he did rise on Sunday, which, in Jewish tradition, started the evening before at 6 p.m."

Jerry Falwell is among those who believe which day is chosen is not of great significance. "I don't think Saturday or Sunday are more sacred than other days," he says. He also points out there have been so many calendar changes over the years, chronologists are not even certain that a day of the week in the 21st century matches the same day from centuries ago.

http://www.sweenytod.com/rno/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=789


The Chronology of Christ's Crucifixion
& Resurrection
http://www.centuryone.com/crucifixion.html It's of NO consequence what importance WE attached to the chronology of Jesus' suffering, dying and rising from the dead again. Paul, reckoned it part and parcel of the Gospel: "according to the Scriptures"! (1Cor.15) Not a single data asks for our definitions or evaluations - it is for God to decide on those issues; and He plainly IN CHRIST attached utmost importance to them, so much as to bring the Church and its existential life in pace with it. Why you think celebrated the Church her Sabbaths, "feasting" - "nourishment being ministered by bands and joints" from the Head to the Body "of Christ's"? (Col.2:16,17,19)

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-17-2005, 04:54 PM
It is so important to the Christian ESTABLISHMENT it is seen fit to wangle the Written Word of God as if the word and doctrine of mere men.

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-17-2005, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by Jim1999:
A.T. Robertson offers this chronology, based on Luke's version of the gospel:

Luke settles the matter pointedly by mentioning all the time between the crucifixion and the resurrection (Luke 23: 50-24:3) The burial tok place Friday afternoon just before the Sabbath drew on (Luke 23:54) The women rested on the Sabbath (Saturday) (Luke23:56), and went to the sepulchre early Sunday morning, the first day of the week (Luke 24:1) There is no escaping this piece of chronology...."

A Harmony of the Gospels, A.T. Robertson, 1922

Cheers,

Jim You are forgetting to observe on which day the crucifixion had to have been - point no. one.
Second: You are forgetting to observe the ultimate issue: upon which day Christ rose from the dead?
AT Robertson ... now there's someone to listen to! And what did he say about this? You, tell us!

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-17-2005, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by wopik:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />I don't understand the significance of this thread.
Hi,C4K ----

Biblical evidence does NOT point to a Friday Crucifixion.

Jerry Falwell knows what most Christians do not know --- Jesus died late Wednesday afternoon, before sunset --- and rose late Saturday afternoon, before sunset. </font>[/QUOTE]How do you count?
I get FOUR days "in the heart of the earth" - i.e., in the state of death, if beginning Wednesday afternoon.
Then most of the W-Crucifixion theorists still insist on a fifth day - Sunday - for the resurrection!
I know you reckon "in the grave" - but that isn't the meaning of Jona's experience of like being in the heart of the earth. "In the heart of the earth" meant "the pangs of death". And those began when Jesus declared: "My hour has come!"
In view of all this CONFUSION one starts to get an idea of why the importance of the SCRIPTURAL chronology!

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-17-2005, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
irrelevant.

Joseph Botwinick You say this for both of two reasons:
One, you through ignorance have never attempted to understand the importance;
two, you through FEAR have never attempted to understand the importance.
Th importance of it may be described with one word: "your order" - Col.2:5 - which is no less than the very 'worship' of Christ's Body the Church.

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-17-2005, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by wopik:
most of christiandom goes to church on sunday because they believe He rose on that day.

if He did not, that tosses in the bucket the AUTHORITY for sunday.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_05071998_dies-domini_en.html Spot on! and Well said!
Question is, do you yourself believe it?

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-17-2005, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Jim1999:
We will never resolve the time and day issue on this question. Do consider the Jewish reckoning of time,,,where a part of a day is considered as a full day...so, three days and three nights may only be portions thereof.

As others have said, the timing is irrelevant; the fact of the resurrection is not.

Cheers,

Jim Timing is of such importance the Church acts in accordance to the (asserted) timing of Jesus' resurrection in its perpetual following after HIM, BECOMING the Church in CONGREGATION of worship and celebration of her salvation. The fact of the resurrection IS, THE NEW CREATION, and it exists two dimentionally: Bodily in time and in space, and spiritually in time and in space.
In the New Testament the Sabbath is Day of Worship, therefore, "the Lord's Day".

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-17-2005, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by C4K:
Oh right I understand your agenda now.

It was "Sunday," which began after sunset on what is now Saturday. Which is exactly what Falwell said.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />"I personally believe he was crucified on Wednesday evening ... and rose after 6 p.m. Saturday evening," Jerry Falwell tells WorldNetDaily. I didn't realise that this was going to be a sabbatarian thread. I thought the signicance was the crucifixion statement. </font>[/QUOTE]Is the Sabbath's inescapable involvement so offensive to you?

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-17-2005, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by wopik:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />...and rose after 6 pm 1) 6 pm is not the cut-off time for new days beginning --- sunset is.


2) Jesus' DEAD BODY was taken down BEFORE sunset, BEFORE the next day began. Therefore, Jesus would rise from the dead BEFORE Saturday was over. </font>[/QUOTE]My best friend wopik,
I love you so! I mean it! Why is it we must always clash? Jesus' DEAD BODY was NOT taken down BEFORE sunset, NOT BEFORE the next day began. In any case, Jesus would rise from the dead BEFORE Saturday was over. Read Mark 15:42 and Mt.27:57 - two verses CHANGED in new translation in order to evade the predicament!

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-17-2005, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by BobRyan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by wopik:
"I personally believe he was crucified on Wednesday evening ... and rose after 6 p.m. Saturday evening," Jerry Falwell tells WorldNetDaily.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24908 If Luke 24 is correct (and I believe it is) that Sunday during the day time IS the "THIRD day" since the crucifixion - then the crucifixion can not have been before Friday.

IMHO.

In Christ,

Bob </font>[/QUOTE]I have answered you on this one in another thread. Sunday, day three since, Saturday day two since, friday the first day since ... "SINCE" what? "Since" Jesus crucifixion and death - full stop.
When did the Israelites return to earth (by burning) the remains of the Passover lamb? Only the next day - the second day of the Passover!

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-17-2005, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by C4K:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by wopik:
Don't be afraid of the truth C4K --- the truth is the only thing that really exists. Brother. those who disagree with you don't necessarily fear the truth.

If you choose to worship the Lord on Saturday, amen - praise the Lord you are worshipping Him. </font>[/QUOTE]Below the sweetness such acrimony! Rather than praise the Lord, ask of Him.

Jim1999
01-17-2005, 07:59 PM
My friend from South Africa, you are indeed most magnanimous in your display of hyperbole and backbush rhetoric. You presume that no one but you have studied the scripture and can ever understand its truth. I gave my reasons in the quote from A.T. Robertson, Ma, DD, LittD, professor of New Testament and Greek, writer of the Life of Christ and a notable Baptist. I should think he has a little more weight than you have thus far demonstrated. I shall believe him and his viewpoint. Have you read his harmony of the gospels? Have you read anyone's harmony of the gospels?

Many of us have years of study and we are nt ignorant of scripture, as you presume. End of argument from my point of view. I shall continue to regard Sunday, the first day of the week, and the day our blessed Lord rose from the tomb, and the day we honor our Lord with worship and the gathering of the saints. The scripture is plain to me.

Cheers,

Jim

C4K
01-18-2005, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by C4K:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by wopik:
Don't be afraid of the truth C4K --- the truth is the only thing that really exists. Brother. those who disagree with you don't necessarily fear the truth.

If you choose to worship the Lord on Saturday, amen - praise the Lord you are worshipping Him. </font>[/QUOTE]Below the sweetness such acrimony! Rather than praise the Lord, ask of Him. </font>[/QUOTE]I fail to understand the contempt and haughtiness with which you view those who have also studied and come to a different conclusion.

I say again - "If you choose to worship the Lord on Saturday, amen - praise the Lord you are worshipping Him" without the acrimony of which you so freely accuse me.

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-19-2005, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by Jim1999:
My friend from South Africa, you are indeed most magnanimous in your display of hyperbole and backbush rhetoric. You presume that no one but you have studied the scripture and can ever understand its truth. I gave my reasons in the quote from A.T. Robertson, Ma, DD, LittD, professor of New Testament and Greek, writer of the Life of Christ and a notable Baptist. I should think he has a little more weight than you have thus far demonstrated. I shall believe him and his viewpoint. Have you read his harmony of the gospels? Have you read anyone's harmony of the gospels?

Many of us have years of study and we are nt ignorant of scripture, as you presume. End of argument from my point of view. I shall continue to regard Sunday, the first day of the week, and the day our blessed Lord rose from the tomb, and the day we honor our Lord with worship and the gathering of the saints. The scripture is plain to me.

Cheers,

Jim Robertson in his Harmoy renders opse sabbatohn, ON THE SABBTH LATE or words to the effect - I havn't now got the time to goe fetch them exactly. An he in his Grammer gives the best of explanations, and eventually surrenders grammer as the reason for believing "after the Sabbath".
And Calvin argued Jesus was resurrected on the Sabbath, and in the very event of His resurrection -accordin to Calvin - abolished the Sabbath.

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-19-2005, 12:20 PM
James Bailey, 19th cent.?
QB: The Bible Union renders the term by“late in.” Meyer gives, “Late upon the Sabbath;” Lange, “But about the end;” Robinson, in Lexicon of Greek Testament, gives, “At the end of,” “at the close of,” “late,’ “late evening,” “at the end of the Sabbath;” DeWette and others, “After the Sabbath had ended;” Bloomfield, “After the Sabbath.” While seeming to differ, critics substantially agree, as some begin where the others end.

Dr. Schaff, in a foot note on Lange, says: “The usual translation of opse (sero) Sabbatown is, toward the end of the Sabbath, or late in the Sabbath, meaning the closing period, near the end, but still during the Sabbath.or late in the day. The Vulgate, vesperi sabbati; Beza, extremo sabbato; Tyndale, the sabbath day at even; Coverdale, upon the evening of the sabbath holy day; Cranmer, Genevan and Bishops versions, in the latter end of the sabbath day.”

The Greek phrase translated “As it began to dawn” occurs but twice in the New Testament. In Luke 23: 54, it is rendered, “drew on” in the sense as given by Robinson, “to begin.” Of Matt. 28:1, he says, “ Trop, of the Jewish day beginning at sunset.” Casauhon, an eminent critic and theologian at Geneva. in the sixteenth century, says the word is used properly of the first appearing of the heavenly bodies. This is in harmony with a Jewish custom to begin the day with the first appearing of the stars. The “drew on” of Luke, and the “beginning to dawn” (of the stars), would make the meaning of Matthew late in the Sabbath, and not the dawning of sunlight. This would also be in agreement with the Scriptural method of beginning the day at or near sunset.QE
Marshall: "Late of sabbath's";
Check Lightfoot and Coleridge!
Revised Version: "Now late on the Sabbath Day".
AT RObertson, 'Grammar' - see www.biblestudents.co.za, (http://www.biblestudents.co.za,) 'Prof. Bacchiocchi refuses to hear these questions'.

I say we don't even need a direct reference to Jesus' resurrection on the Sabbath Day to know it was on the Sabbath Day - all the Scriptures from the nature of the Sabbath in them, show it would and should have been "In Sabbath's-time"!

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-19-2005, 12:22 PM
ETCETERA!

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-19-2005, 01:03 PM
Robertson's Word Pictures ("Harmony"?) of the New Testament: Quote Part
Now late on the sabbath as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week (opse de sabbatwn, th epipwskoush eiί mian sabbatwn). This careful chronological statement according to Jewish days clearly means that before the sabbath was over, that is before six P.M., this visit by the women was made "to see the sepulchre" (qeorhsai ton tapon). Part QE

The 1599 Geneva Study Bible, Mt.28:1,"In 1 the a end of the sabbath, as it b began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre."

Johnv
01-19-2005, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by C4K:
I don't have big problem with that. Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
irrelevant.I agree with both comments. What day of the week Jesus died is trivial. What is important is that Jesus rose. I tend to adhere to the traditional burial on Friday/empty tomb on Sunday observance, but it is strictly my own pov. The one thing Scripture is clear on is that the empty tomb was discovered on the morning of the first day of the week (which would to us be Sunday).

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-19-2005, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by C4K:
I don't have big problem with that. Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
irrelevant.I agree with both comments. What day of the week Jesus died is trivial. What is important is that Jesus rose. I tend to adhere to the traditional burial on Friday/empty tomb on Sunday observance, but it is strictly my own pov. The one thing Scripture is clear on is that the empty tomb was discovered on the morning of the first day of the week (which would to us be Sunday). </font>[/QUOTE]No sure, Johnv, clean and innocent and may God help me never to judge you for what you hold fast to.
Nevertheless, God has a way of doing things, and one of His ways is to make important an oppotunity for the worship of Him BY HIS CHILDREN. It has always been like that, and it has always been just the one day, "God thus concerning spoke", and that Day was "the Sabbath Day of the LORD your God", or, in NT terminology, "the Lord's Day". ONLY THAT, explains the importance the matter has FOR GOD, and then, "for the PEOPLE of God". Hb.4:9 uses the word 'apoleipetai' - "stays important", or, "remains valid".
The importance of God's Sabbath Day derives from the Lord of the Sabbath, 1, and 2, the People of the Sabbath.
I have but one concern - where is it? In the SDA-Church? I don't think so! Then where SHOULD it be? In the Reformed, Protestant Churches, in the General Assembly of Believers, in the Church Universal! "He that despised Moses' Law, died without mercy ... of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy who ... hath ... counted (unholy) the blood of the covenant ..." - whereby the New Testament Sabbath - "... was sanctified"?
Is mine a preposterous use of Hb.10:29 with reference to the Sabbath seeing the NT Sabbath is sanctified by only the blood of Jesus' mercy?

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-19-2005, 02:35 PM
ONLY THAT, its NAME, explains the importance the DAY has FOR GOD, and then, "for the PEOPLE of God".

Johnv
01-19-2005, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn:
No sure, Johnv, clean and innocent and may God help me never to judge you for what you hold fast to.
Scripture is VERY CLEAR that the tomb was found empty on the morning of the first day. Kindly refrain from hijacking this thread into yet another one of your dead horse beatings.

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-19-2005, 02:43 PM
Quoting Johnv
Scripture is VERY CLEAR that the tomb was found empty on the morning of the first day. Kindly refrain from hijacking this thread into yet another one of your dead horse beatings. [QE]

Have I ever denied? Scripture is VERY CLEAR that the tomb was found empty on the morning of the first day, can't YOU see it? Scripture is VERY CLEAR that Jesus was raised before the morning of the first day. Clear?
Then why call it MY dead horse? My faith is built upon the LIVING TRUTH of CHRIST RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD - as the Scriptures promised and as the Scrtiptures confirmed - "in the Sabbath's fulness of day the First Day of the week approaching ..."
Follow the threat on Falwell on the Crucifixion.

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-25-2005, 03:22 PM
Jim 1999,
And now?

wopik
01-25-2005, 04:36 PM
Jim 1999

Luke settles the matter pointedly by mentioning all the time between the crucifixion and the resurrection (Luke 23: 50-24:3) The burial tok place Friday afternoon just before the Sabbath drew on (Luke 23:54) The women rested on the Sabbath (Saturday) (Luke23:56), and went to the sepulchre early Sunday morning, the first day of the week (Luke 24:1) There is no escaping this piece of chronology...."
Except you can't get 3 days and 3 nights between friday sunset and sunday morning.

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-26-2005, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by wopik:
Jim 1999

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Luke settles the matter pointedly by mentioning all the time between the crucifixion and the resurrection (Luke 23: 50-24:3) The burial tok place Friday afternoon just before the Sabbath drew on (Luke 23:54) The women rested on the Sabbath (Saturday) (Luke23:56), and went to the sepulchre early Sunday morning, the first day of the week (Luke 24:1) There is no escaping this piece of chronology...."
Except you can't get 3 days and 3 nights between friday sunset and sunday morning. </font>[/QUOTE]100% arithmetic, and 100% observance; also 100% observation in the end. Yet your picture is incomplete! Much is missing and not only some time-aspects. Most important of which is the day of crucifixion - 14 Nisan. You above account for day of burial - Friday, Nisan 15, day 1 "since these things" the "things" of Jesus' crucifixion; Saturday, Nisan 16, day 2 "since these things" the "things" of Jesus' crucifixion; and Sunday morning, Nisan 17, day 3 "since these things" the "things" of Jesus' crucifixion.
What have you proven? Or what did Luke prove? He proved the crucifixion was on Thursday!
Thursday, Friday and Saturday - "THREE DAYS" of Prophetic Truth; "Crucified ... buried ... rose again the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES" - Paul's 'proof' of exactly Luke's conclusion! And both exactly what Jesus had foretold Himself. (Mt.12:40)
So what ideas you seem to have had besides, would be interesting to know.
Nevertheless, that was not what I had in mind when I reminded Jim 1999 about his chalenge to me of some days back.
In any case thanks for your response.

Gerhard Ebersoehn
01-26-2005, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by wopik:
Jim 1999

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Luke settles the matter pointedly by mentioning all the time between the crucifixion and the resurrection (Luke 23: 50-24:3) The burial tok place Friday afternoon just before the Sabbath drew on (Luke 23:54) The women rested on the Sabbath (Saturday) (Luke23:56), and went to the sepulchre early Sunday morning, the first day of the week (Luke 24:1) There is no escaping this piece of chronology...."
Except you can't get 3 days and 3 nights between friday sunset and sunday morning. </font>[/QUOTE]Something I missed out on just now - your first sentence: "Luke ... mentioning all the time between the crucifixion and the resurrection (Luke 23: 50-24:3)" ... thought you referred to "the women went to the sepulchre early Sunday morning". Two things, Jesus' resurrection and the women's going to the tomb!

Gerhard Ebersoehn
02-05-2005, 07:41 AM
Return this topic, please?

Gerhard Ebersoehn
02-05-2005, 07:44 AM
I'm still waiting for Jim 1999 to respond?

BobRyan
02-05-2005, 09:25 AM
The Sabbath is sanctified AS God said it was "THEREFOR the Lord BLESSED the Sabbath day and Sanctified it" Exodus 20:8-11.

Christ the Creator EVEN starts off the entire Word of God by saying "Therefor the Lord BLESSED the seventh day and made it holy" Gen 2:3.

Here is the act of Christ the Creator from the VERY start - giving to sinless Adam and Eve - His OWN Day - thus creating a SEVEN day week not a SIX day week.

The idea that this is "lost" or "gone" or "failed" or "invalid" or ... can not be supported in all of scripture.

In Isaiah 66 we find that this SAME Sabbath CONTINUES EVEN to the New Heavens and NEW earth for ALL MANKIND.

Obvious.

Clear.

Impossible to obfuscate.

In Christ,

Bob

BobRyan
02-05-2005, 09:27 AM
Having said that - it is clear on this thread - that Christ died on Friday afternoon - the same day and time the Passover lamb was being sacrificed - and at the time of the Passover meal (Friday night) was laid in the tomb.

He was resurrected from the tomb very early Sunday morning. As his own disciples admit on Sunday afternoon "This IS the 3rd day since all these things happened".

Easy -

Obvious.

Clear.

In Christ,

Bob

Gerhard Ebersoehn
02-05-2005, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by BobRyan:
Having said that - it is clear on this thread - that Christ died on Friday afternoon - the same day and time the Passover lamb was being sacrificed - and at the time of the Passover meal (Friday night) was laid in the tomb.

He was resurrected from the tomb very early Sunday morning. As his own disciples admit on Sunday afternoon "This IS the 3rd day since all these things happened".

Easy -

Obvious.

Clear.

In Christ,

Bob Bob,
You made NO attempt to reply to any of my reasons against this traditional view you adopted.
As to your post before this one, You seem to be deaf. I accept the Sabbath Day for reason of the creation; as for reason of the exodus. But that fades into insignificance for the reason of Jesus christ in His finishing of all the works of God through resurrection from the dead.
You monotonously echo the traditionalists, paying no attention to their own witness against the Friday crucifixion Sunday resurrection tradition.
You deliberately close your eyes for the escahtological meaning of the Sabbath.
Only to your own detriment. You loose out on enjoying a truly Christian Sabbath Day. You keep on kicking against the pricks of the fact Paul - representing the Word of God - on several occasions state the Law is kaput, and that the Christian do the things of the Law because he is under grace - Christ is become the Law for him.
In Mrs. White's terminology: You refuse the bread of life and still prefer to eat gravel as dry as the hills of Gilboa.
You have done NOTHING but to REPEAT. You haven't investigated, or put some effort into understanding one Scripture relevant in this whole discussion.
I think you are lazy; or perhaps afraid; or actually too much attached to your mother-church's skirt strings.