Jerry falwell

[don 3426]

I found jerry falwell to be an incredibly brilliant and has great foresight on the Bible and what a christian should be.

[Ps104_33]

I cant say that I dont agree with you Don. I dont agree with everything about Jerry Falwell but at least he consistently takes a stand against the biased and liberal news media but dont expect much agreement with most of the Baptists on this board as most are brainwashed by the media which has done a good job demonizing him.

[izzaksdad]

Guys,

You are absolutley right about Dr. Falwell. He very well may have been the single greatest influence in the recent Pres. election- by that I mean the info. he sent out, the voter registration emphasis, etc.

Liberty Mountain and Falwell Ministries is a miracle of God. If you have never seen the video of the beginning and the stories behind it, it is worth the watch or read.

[stevec]

I agree Ps104_33. I may not agree with everything Dr. Falwell says or does but I admire that he takes a biblically-based stance on issues and refuses to bow to outside pressure.

[Ps104_33]

Another thing about Falwell. Whenever I see or hear him on radio or TV debating or discussing a controversial issue, he is aways the gentleman and handles his comments in a diplomatic and polite way. Never raises his voice and always treats his opponent with respect. He is always smiling and never misses the opportunity to get the gospel out over the airwaves. Ohte than the lies that the media spreads about him to try to get the mainstream to dislike him, the man is above reproach.

[Ps104_33]

BTW,
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[Dr. Bob]

For years, many have called Dr. Falwell has been called "pseudo" fundamentalist by his critics because of his cooperative spirit. Many historic ifb have cooperated (think - much of early fundamentalism was cross-denominational) but some modern isolationists feel such is sin.

Now that Falwell has linked openly with the SBC, they will villify him further. I certainly do not agree with all going on in his ministries, but I am considering him a brother in Christ.

[robycop3]

I recently heard Dr. falwell remind everyone that HE IS NOT A YOUNGSTER, and, statistically, he doesn't have a lotta time left, and that he, more than ever now, wants to do that which HONORS CHRIST, and to spread His Gospel to as many as possible.

Some put him down because he tries to influence politicians. Where in Scripture is he told not to do that? Scripture says that, good or evil, GOD PLACED THEM IN AUTHORITY...and as individual people, JESUS DIED FOR THEIR SINS ALSO.

Others put him down because he isn't KJVO. Again, there's no SCRIPTURAL basis for this put-down.

I don't agree with Falwell 100% but it's doubtful if HE would agree 100% with ME. HE was called to be a pastor while I was not. And I've NOT heard him preach any extra-Scriptural doctrines.

But then of course he has NOT been put down nearly as much as His Master JESUS CHRIST was.

[Scarlett O.]

Oh, dear...

here I go...

I agree that Jerry Falwell is a Christian and was called to preach.

But I don't listen to him as a rule, because he is too political in the pulpit. He mocks too much. I used to listen to him alot even though I was many times irritated and confused at the way he preached.

I heard him tell a joke once about homosexuality from the pulpit. He said, "We used to call them queers, then we called them fags, then we called them gays, then we called the homosexuals, and now we just call them democrats."

He grinned at himself and the congregation howled with laughter as the cameras panned over them.

What if there were a homosexual person flipping channels? Did they need to hear that? Did they need to know that Christians were laughing at their sin. Laughing? No. They needed to hear the truth about their bondage of sin and that God wanted them to repent because they are fearfully and wonderfully made and He loves them.

I don't disagree with his beliefs and convictions. I wholeheartedly disagree with his general presentation of them.

While I don't listen to him anymore, I don't necessarily have any disdain for him either.

Peace-

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[JamesRay]

Jerry Falwell is WAY too political.

[don 3426]

There are far too few people like Jerry Falwell, I admire him greatly and only hope i can become some of what he , billy graham and franklin graham have been to spread the word. I believe there should be more christians with in the political spectrum. I do not believe his accusations are wrong, I actually believe christians should pinpoint the wrong people are causeing in our society. I believe homosexuality is compleitly wrong and should come as an embarasment to those who do it. I believe the joke he told was to make those who are like that stick out so they me relize what they do is wrong. Scarlett o. , I understand ur side of how we should hate the sin and love the sinner, I know that Jerry Falwell is just a human as u and i and while he was up ther he probably got angry about how homosexuals are invading everyones space with their loud prtests and disgusting publicity and reacted as i would and put it out in a form of a mocking. but all in all people make mistakes but I still believe Jerry has been a great preacher for christ and i believe he is one of the best.

[Scarlett O.]

I won't argue your point, don, and perhaps I judge him too harshly.

Let's just agree that we need to keep all of our great pastors and teachers in our prayers.

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[Phillip]

If what was said about Jerry and his involvement in Jim Bakker's situation was true, the way Bakker described it in his book, then Jerry was wrong.

If it is true, he was asked and promised Bakker to just run the PTL club for a short amount of time, during which Bakker accused him of taking full control and making moves to get rid of Bakker's control.

If this is true, he lied to Bakker.

Do NOT get me wrong. I am NOT a Bakker fan, but I think Jerry could have sued him for the statements in his book, if they were not true.

Just a thought. Of course, he is human like all of us.

Give it up Dr. Bob, just because he went SBC, does not make him a sinner. Some of us are good people. :D tongue.gif tongue.gif

[don 3426]

SBC = southern baptist convention?
and whats wrong with the sbc?

[Dr. Bob]

Originally posted by Phillip:
Give it up Dr. Bob, just because he went SBC, does not make him a sinner. Some of us are good people. :D HEY WAIT A MINUTE. He's my friend. I have a certificate on my wall with his signature on it.

Read what I said: Now that Falwell has linked openly with the SBC, THEY will villify him further.Now, he saw the SBC in the ugly days and he STILL wanted to associate with them. Can't imagine that, except that there must be the sale of another brick in it.

[rsr]

Yep. And that he could ride into the convention on his white horse and deliver it from the apostates.

Maybe I'm cynical.

Don't answer that.

[Plain Old Bill]

John Rice was a fundamentalist,So is Dr. Bob,as is Jerry Falwell.Truth is everybody who does something great for God gets critisized by Christian and heathen .
Liberty Baptist ministers to gay people.They also minister to people with drug and alchohol problems.Liberty under Dr. Falwells leadership has many ministries and serves well.
We Baptist complain about people to much! I'll bet the Bickerson's were Baptist.

[don 3426]

Anyone who disagrees with Jerry falwell cant be a true baptist, his veiws are Godly views.

[onecoolcanuk]

I don't necessarily disagree with Falwell's beliefs therefore I am a Baptist. But I am a Christian before a Baptist.

There is one thing I don't like about Falwell though. Back after 9/11 he was talking about how it was God's judgement because of homosexuality,etc. One, I don't agree with that. Two, he is not consistent. Now he supports a war in retaliation for 9/11, when first he said it was God's judgement. So he supports a war in retaliation against "God's judgement". He is confused I believe. Kinda John Kerry-like eh? "I was against the war before I supported it" Falwell would say.

[don 3426]

I do believe 9/11 was Gods judgement on the way america has been going. but the retaliation was against further terror attacks. so its not john kerry like. And he is consistant hes just picked on by the media because of ther anti christian views. I was kidding about the previus statement about ppl not being baptist, iwas in a rush so i frogot to signify that. But I wouldnt compare a really good christian and one of the only ppl out ther with the curage to say somthing, to a person who clames they are catholic but gives up his morral views just to become popular.

[PatsFan]

Originally posted by Scarlett O.:
Oh, dear...

here I go...

I agree that Jerry Falwell is a Christian and was called to preach.

But I don't listen to him as a rule, because he is too political in the pulpit. He mocks too much. I used to listen to him alot even though I was many times irritated and confused at the way he preached.

I heard him tell a joke once about homosexuality from the pulpit. He said, "We used to call them queers, then we called them fags, then we called them gays, then we called the homosexuals, and now we just call them democrats."

He grinned at himself and the congregation howled with laughter as the cameras panned over them.

What if there were a homosexual person flipping channels? Did they need to hear that? Did they need to know that Christians were laughing at their sin. Laughing? No. They needed to hear the truth about their bondage of sin and that God wanted them to repent because they are fearfully and wonderfully made and He loves them.

I don't disagree with his beliefs and convictions. I wholeheartedly disagree with his general presentation of them.

While I don't listen to him anymore, I don't necessarily have any disdain for him either.

Peace-

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Scarlett O.
<>< Well said, Scarlett! Jesus never mocked people with infirmities. He was compassionate. Falwell has done a lot of good, but he has also been an embarassment at times.

[DavidFWhite3]

He is the same man who encouraged his congrgation and his listeners in the late sixties to ignore Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. He labled MLK a communist.

He is the same man who labeled Archbishop Desmond Tutu a fake, and stood by the aparthied regime in South Africa.

He is the same man who said,"Jesus was no sissy. He'd like nuclear weapons."

[rjprince]

David,

Read the non-revised historical accounts of MLK! Almost everywhere he went, riots followed. If MLK did not have ties to the communist party, why was his FBI file not released at the 25 year mark, as the law provides?

Re nuclear weapons, ever read 2Pet 3:10? "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

Or how about, Rev 19:14 - And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

That sound like a sissy to you?

I do not like everything Falwell says or does either, but his contribution to Evangelical Christianity is really beyond question.

OH, the fact that I opposed MLK does not mean that I support racism though. Neither does Falwell.

[DavidFWhite3]

JUst quoting the man.

I'll start an MLK thread on his birthday this Saturday, and rejoice on Monday that our nation honors the man.

No riot followed King's address to the nation in August of '63. And there is absolutely no reputable evidence to indicate King was a communist, but plenty to prove J. Edgar Hoover wanted to find anything he could to discredit the man.

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

My only complaint about Dr. Falwell, and my biggest complaint about MLK is that they were and are too political. I am called to be a pastor and I have strong political views, but I am a pastor first and a political activist second (or third, or fifteenth is probably more like it). Often I have thought Dr. Falwell got caught up in the political scene and forgot that the Kingdom of God is not of this world.

Now perhaps he was doing exactly what God wanted him to, I can't answer that. But I have seen several churches get so involved in the field of politics that they stop seeking the lost. If at your church more people show up for a political rally or voter registration drive than show up for visitation you might want to look at your priorities.

[don 3426]

You speak of falwell being in politics as if he was trying to get votes. Jerry falwell is a preacher to the masses not a political activist.

Jerry has very strong views as do I. But when many of you are against his joke against homosexuals and democrats, does this mean (to those who are against it) that you have never made fun of or made a joke against a homosexual or against another persons views. In Jesus' words let the man with no sin cast the first stone.
P.S. I do believe Jesus likes nuclear weapons but does not need them for his wrath. Jesus is a God of love but he does give out just punishment. If he were here today and saw the things that should not be in church he would take more than a whip to it.

[Scarlett O.]

Originally posted by don 3426:
does this mean (to those who are against it) that you have never made fun of or made a joke against a homosexual or against another persons views. In Jesus' words let the man with no sin cast the first stone.I wouldn't dare tell you that I have never said something in just a joking manner that I should not have said. Of course, I have. Everybody has.

By the same token, I don't have to be "without sin" to point out that the man needs to be more accountable for what he says from the pulpit.

I'm not casting stones at him. I don't want to tear his ministry down. I just want him to be more accountable for what he says.

Jerry Falwell needs to be more careful with what comes out of his mouth!

And so do I....so do I.

But because I do too, that doesn't mean that I can't remind BB readers that he, as a pastor, does.

Let me tell you. That joke that he made was one of many inappropriate things about homosexuality that I have heard him say while watching him on television years ago.

Jerry Falwell needs to think more before he speaks, as do we all. But because the entire nation is watching for what he has to say next, he is in a very critical place.

He represents the Lord and because he is a national "leader", he represents you and me, whether that makes us happy or not.

I'm not casting stones at the man. Only God has the authority to pass judgement.

But I am insisting that that he take his accountability more seriously as a pastor. And we as christians do have the authority to hold each other accountable.

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[Scarlett O.]

Good grief...

...I forget to follow Gregory's advice and pray before we post.

I sounded a "tad" grouchy and pushy. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry if I sounded like I was ranting at you.

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[PatsFan]

Originally posted by Scarlett O:
I'm not casting stones at the man. Only God has the authority to pass judgement.[/QB]Call it judgment or call it accountability, but the Apostle Paul said that we as Christians need to call each other on our errors: " What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?" (1 Cor. 5: 12)

I agree with you, Scarlett, and I didn't think you came on too strong.

[onecoolcanuk]

Originally posted by don 3426:
I do believe 9/11 was Gods judgement on the way america has been going. but the retaliation was against further terror attacks. so its not john kerry like. And he is consistant hes just picked on by the media because of ther anti christian views. I was kidding about the previus statement about ppl not being baptist, iwas in a rush so i frogot to signify that. But I wouldnt compare a really good christian and one of the only ppl out ther with the curage to say somthing, to a person who clames they are catholic but gives up his morral views just to become popular. Hey Don, what's up?

Well, 9/11 could have been God's judgement on America but it was not only judgement against homosexuality. There are many other prevalent sins in your country and mine and I don't think God used a terrorist attack as judgement against only homosexuality. And if it was God's judgement, why are you guys fighting a war in retaliation for it? It's beyond me. :(

That's cool that you were kidding. It's hard to get that across sometimes, I know that for a fact.

Well, I'd compare Falwell to John Kerry only for the reason that I stated. Falwell called 9/11 "God's judgement" and now today he supports the war. To me, that's not consistent and equally as bad as Kerry's "I voted for the war before I voted against the war".

[onecoolcanuk]

"Re nuclear weapons, ever read 2Pet 3:10? "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
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rjprince: I've read that but I don't believe it is conclusive that it's nuclear war. I believe God can do that Himself.

If it were nuclear war, then no man would be left standing on the earth when Jesus returns for the earth would be burned up.

[av1611jim]

I don't give Falwell (or anybody else for that matter) any more or less credit than is his due.
He used to be a great preacher. Politics has diverted him for a while. Perhaps now in his twilight years he will get back to his "first love" and concentrate on winning the lost.

I think many on this board have been guilty of esteeming the man too much. I have been guilty of this concerning other men. But what saith the Scriptures?


1Co*3:4
For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co*3:5
¶ Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co*3:6
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1Co*3:7
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
1Co*3:8
Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

Every man shall receive his OWN reward according to his OWN labour. Jesus will take care of any wrongs Jerry has done at the JSOC. We should best be looking to our own selves. (You will notice this was worded using WE, and that is by design.)

In HIS service;
Jim

[don 3426]

I dont know if anyone has held jerry falwell in a higher position than he should be. But i do think falwell does need for somone to at least show he is not the crazy man people make him out to be. People should aim to do as he does because he aimed to bring in the lost all his life.

[rsr]

don, do you actually know anything about Falwell?

"You speak of falwell being in politics as if he was trying to get votes. Jerry falwell is a preacher to the masses not a political activist."

Tuesday's re-election of President George W. Bush and the election of a number of new conservative lawmakers across the nation astonished liberal newsmen, pundits and handlers who, hours earlier, had believed allegedly rigged exit polls and were confidently whispering that a new mandate was going to sweep the nation.

So what happened? After more than 25 years since I formed the Moral Majority and began mobilizing evangelicals to participate in the political process, I actually realized the fruit of my labors nationwide as Macel and I watched the election returns into the early hours of Wednesday. I could not hold back the tears of joy. Hour by hour, we observed a "slam dunk" as the Church of Jesus Christ made the difference in initiating the return of this nation to moral sanity and the Judeo-Christian ethic. A colossal storm cloud is gathering over this election in the form of potential voter fraud.

How is this any of my business? Well, for months now, a host of evangelical leaders – including me – have been steering a massive drive to enlist churchgoing voters who will go to the polls to "vote Christian" on Nov. 2. We have a significant stake in this election, and we have worked diligently and lawfully to propel pro-life, pro-traditional family lawmakers into office.

What a shame it would be if duplicitous party organizers were to succeed in throwing this election to undeserving candidates, thereby eradicating the hard work we have done to recruit and enroll legitimate voters. LYNCHBURG, Va. (ABP) -- Jerry Falwell will "resurrect" his Moral Majority with a new name in order to turn conservative momentum from the recent national elections into an "evangelical revolution."

... Falwell said the new group will build on "the national momentum" of the Nov. 2 elections and encourage evangelicals to continue to "vote Christian."

... That earlier group (the Moral Majority), founded by Falwell in 1979, helped launch the Religious Right to national prominence by supporting Ronald Reagan and other conservative Republican candidates and campaigning against abortion and other perceived social ills.

"At that time, God burdened my heart to mobilize religious conservatives around a pro-life, pro-family, strong national defense and pro-Israel platform, designed to return America to her Judeo-Christian heritage," Falwell said. "And I distinctively feel that burden again. Our nation simply cannot continue as we know it if we allow out-of-control lawmakers and radical judges, working at the whims of society, to alter the moral foundations of America."

... He and other evangelical political leaders have claimed credit for President Bush's re-election and called on the president to enact conservative moral reforms, such as bans on gay marriage and abortion.

"One of our primary commitments is to help make President Bush's second term the most successful in American history," said Falwell ... "For conservative people of faith, voting for principle this year means voting for the re-election of George W. Bush," Mr. Falwell wrote in the July 1 issue of his e-mail newsletter "Falwell Confidential'' and on his Web site, falwell.com. "The alternative, in my mind, is simply unthinkable. To the pro-life, pro-family, pro-traditional marriage, pro-America voters in this nation, we must determine that President Bush is the man with our interests at heart. It is that simple."

He added: "I believe it is the responsibility of every political conservative, every evangelical Christian, every pro-life Catholic, every traditional Jew, every Reagan Democrat, and everyone in between to get serious about re-electing President Bush."

Mr. Falwell, who helped lead conservative evangelical Protestants into politics 20 years ago as the founder of the Moral Majority, also asked for contributions to a political action committee run by the social conservative Gary Bauer. "It is the organization that I believe can have the greatest impact in re-electing Mr. Bush to the Oval Office," he wrote.

[don 3426]

Ive always seen him as both a preacher and a political activists. But i dont remember implying that he should have votes, But that would be awsome if he ran for president. I think he is a political activist in that he goes up and speaks against imoral things and helps gain voters against imoral activity throught the moral majoraty.

[Johnv]

Originally posted by av1611jim:
I don't give Falwell (or anybody else for that matter) any more or less credit than is his due. He used to be a great preacher. Politics has diverted him for a while. Perhaps now in his twilight years he will get back to his "first love" and concentrate on winning the lost. I think many on this board have been guilty of esteeming the man too much.I do agree with you. Jerry Falwell is a man whose best days are far behind him. That's no shame to say, either. It happens to most orators, sacred or secular. The problem arises when the orator doesn't come to grips with it, and tries to play oratory football as though he were in college.

[don 3426]

I see falwell like the hulkster (in the fact of age not anything else) he can keep going no matter how old because hes got the crowd and the hype for what he does.

[west]

I was surprised when a couple of years ago he had Benny Hinn speak at his campus .Jerry said many of the kids watch Benny .Benny had a big smile on his face as Jerry talked about him .

[don 3426]

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