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TaliOrlando
09-15-2006, 12:12 PM
5-fold ministry???

Pastor

Teacher,

Prophet,

Evangelist/Missionary

Apostle

EdSutton
09-15-2006, 12:18 PM
5-fold ministry???

Pastor

Teacher,

Prophet,

Evangelist/Missionary

Apostle

Missing a few?

Like at least 15 other spiritual gifts?

I think this has been 'answered' at least in part, in your thrread on titles, If I'm not mistaken.

Ed

TaliOrlando
09-15-2006, 01:03 PM
Missing a few?

Like at least 15 other spiritual gifts?

I think this has been 'answered' at least in part, in your thrread on titles, If I'm not mistaken.

Ed

Hello Brother Ed!!! :wavey: I have a question, why do some churches state that its necesarry to have these 5 gifts in a church for it to function properly? Thanks and have a good day!!!

EdSutton
09-15-2006, 01:14 PM
Hello Brother Ed!!! :wavey: I have a question, why do some churches state that its necesarry to have these 5 gifts in a church for it to function properly? Thanks and have a good day!!!

I have not the first clue as to the answer to your question. Sorry I can't help you on that one!
And you're still welcome, and you have a good day, as well! :thumbsup: :wavey:

Ed

billwald
09-15-2006, 03:50 PM
Strange use of "believe in." What is metaphysical about church offices?

richard n koustas
09-15-2006, 06:48 PM
This is something I posted on another board a few years ago re: 5-fold ministry:


A recent speaker at our church used the term `5-fold ministry of
the
church'. Being unfamiliar with the term, I googled it. The
first
hit was for some seminar promoting it, the second hit was to a site
that claimed the whole idea mostly bunk...

Apparently, the `5-fold ministry' is taken from the following
passage:

"...and *he* has given some apostles, and some prophets, and some
evangelists, and some shepherds and teachers, for the perfecting of
the saints; with a view to [the] work of [the] ministry, with a view
to the edifying of the body of Christ; until we all arrive at the
unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, at [the]
full-grown man, at [the] measure of the stature of the fulness of the
Christ;" Eph. 4:11-13.

apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds, teachers. The argument
against the 5-fold ministry, in brief, is that apostles and prophets
are no longer.

richard n koustas
09-15-2006, 06:53 PM
I forgot to answer the question in the OP: NO all prophets and apostles are dead.

Marcia
09-15-2006, 09:34 PM
5-fold ministry???

Pastor

Teacher,

Prophet,

Evangelist/Missionary

Apostle

I have posted, on at least 2 threads in this forum (!) much information on this movement. And it is a movement - a cultic movement associated with the Kansas City Prophets, Latter Rain, Dominion, Joel's Army, Kingdom Now, Third Wave, and Manifest Sons of God movements.

They teach that a church must restore these 5 offices. They teach that newer revelation supersedes the Bible. They are into mystical stuff. They teach we must establish the kingdom so that Jesus can come back.

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/nextgnostic.htm

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/Wagner-conference.htm

http://www.answers.com/topic/kansas-city-prophets

http://www.answers.com/topic/five-fold-ministry-1

http://www.intotruth.org/res/theglory.html

Link
09-16-2006, 02:17 AM
I believe in Ephesians 4:11 ministries (one might say four-fold.)

I would associate 'missionary' closely with apostle, though. It depends on the kind of missionary.

I don't think every individual church has to have an apostle. Paul was a translocal apostle.

I think we make a mistake if we associate these offices with 'clergy' and just add more offices to clergy. A lot of prophets sit in pews and aren't allowed to funciton because churches have sermon-centered meetings where the preacher does most of the talking instead of the type of meetings we are told to have in I Corinthians 14.