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xdisciplex
11-10-2006, 01:22 PM
Are women not forbidden to teach men in the bible? Then why does she do it?
Or does she only speak before women?

I think that her messages are more or less motivational messages. It's like a motivational speaker for christians. :confused:

tragic_pizza
11-10-2006, 01:52 PM
I am not a fan of any TV preacher. As they go, though, nothing wrong with Meyer as far as being a preacher goes. Times and cultures change, you know.

I would argue that reading Scripture in its context (both its own and the context of history) would show that it is actually a pretty radically feminist document.

For example, women were, culturally speaking,barely more valuable than a table; the clear message of Scripture values all humans, and especially women. Paul mentions women in the context of church leadership as well.


*waits for the Fundies to attack*

:tongue3:

xdisciplex
11-10-2006, 01:55 PM
I cannot imagine having a female pastor. Somehow I couldn't take her seriously.
It's simply different with men. Men have more authority. But it also depends on how they look. A long,grey beard for example also adds extra authority.

tragic_pizza
11-10-2006, 02:34 PM
I cannot imagine having a female pastor. Somehow I couldn't take her seriously.
It's simply different with men. Men have more authority. But it also depends on how they look. A long,grey beard for example also adds extra authority.I work for a woman pastor.

Long beards aren't a symbol of authority, imho. The Holy Spirit's call on a person's life grants the authority, and women can do as well (sometimes better) than men.

For example, I've worked with male pasors for almost ten years, and the female pastor I work for now is one of the best preachers I have ever heard. Her authority is the Word.

Chemnitz
11-10-2006, 05:36 PM
First clue about why she should be ignored at best is well, if she had any use for the word then she wouldn't be doing what she is doing.

Second she is just another word faith.

Third she is in it for the money rather blatantly, 3.5 million dollar home provided by her "ministry". She sits as the chair of the financial board of her "ministry"

Last I heard the IRS was investigating her.

xdisciplex
11-10-2006, 06:57 PM
That's pretty sad.

Jim1999
11-10-2006, 07:32 PM
All I can say is Joyce who????

Afraid I don't know half the names that pop up here. Try Aimee McPherson Temple! Or even Madam Blavatsky!

Cheers,

Jim

BobRyan
11-10-2006, 07:56 PM
Are women not forbidden to teach men in the bible? Then why does she do it?
Or does she only speak before women?

I think that her messages are more or less motivational messages. It's like a motivational speaker for christians. :confused:

Good motivational speaker.

I can't get past her voice tone quality.

In Christ,

Bob

xdisciplex
11-10-2006, 08:20 PM
She has a voice almost like a man.

This is really interesting because she belongs to a special kind of women which have so strange voices. These women also seem to have a certain type of character. I have come across such women a few times and somehow they are all pretty similar. They have less female characteristics. Somehow that's scary...

dispen4ever
11-10-2006, 08:47 PM
Like Joel Osteen, she is a motivational speaker who has become very wealthy.

mcdirector
11-11-2006, 07:03 AM
Like Joel Osteen, she is a motivational speaker who has become very wealthy.

I agree . . .

I am curious though, is she really preaching to me. I was under the impression that her primary audience was women.

music4Him
11-11-2006, 07:58 AM
The few things I know about Joyce is she preaches what she knows and has overcome in those areas that she preaches on. Jesus said go into all the world and preach the gospel and she is doing that. She also preaches on submission and authority. I don't know maybe in church she might stay quite but in her "confrences" she preaches the gospel as well as any person of the male gender preacher I have ever heard! (sometimes shes better than any I have ever listend to)

donnA
11-11-2006, 08:07 AM
She proves she either knows nothing about the bible, or disreguards what she doesn't want to accept as true because she is an ordained preacher, to women or men, it doesn't matter, she sees no difference. This si basic scripture, plain nothing to figure out and she doesn't understand it.

music4Him
11-11-2006, 08:12 AM
No I believe she does pretty good about exsplaing it. But to each his (or her) own.

Where does it say that women can't preach.

donnA
11-11-2006, 08:15 AM
http://www.afcministry.com/Joyce_Meyers.htm

http://www.pfo.org/preacher.htm

http://www.forgottenword.org/meyers.html

http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac17c..htm

http://www.discernment.org/meyer.html

music4Him
11-11-2006, 08:21 AM
You know I bet if I looked hard enough I might be able to find some of those links for just about every preacher in the public eye. LOL

Where does it say in Gods word that a woman shouldn't preach?

donnA
11-11-2006, 08:28 AM
No I believe she does pretty good about exsplaing it. But to each his (or her) own.

Where does it say that women can't preach.
Joyce Meyer is an ordained minister who pastors a church, simple scriptural understanding tells you this is wrong.1 Tim.2: 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence

music4Him
11-11-2006, 08:47 AM
Preach

κηρύσσω
kērussō
kay-roos'-so
Of uncertain affinity; to herald (as a public crier), especially divine truth (the gospel): - preach (-er), proclaim, publish.

Mark 16:15 And he (Jesus) said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.


Joyce Meyer is an ordained minister who pastors a church,

Can you provide this information because I couldn't find the church she pastors.

xdisciplex
11-11-2006, 09:08 AM
This is another perfect example once again.

The bible says:

Tim.2: 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence

But once again there are christians which simply say: Nah, this has a totally different meaning.

Great. :BangHead:
What meaning does it really have?
It's like this with everything. There are always people which simply say that it doesn't mean this. And in the end you don't even know what to think anymore. :tear:

EdSutton
11-11-2006, 09:16 AM
Personally, I don't think about Joyce Meyer, at all.

Ed

El_Guero
11-11-2006, 10:53 AM
Amen brother!

Personally, I don't think about Joyce Meyer, at all.

Ed

xdisciplex
11-11-2006, 03:05 PM
Does anyone know where I get those "What would Joyce do" shirts? I need one.




:laugh:

Jim1999
11-11-2006, 04:47 PM
Some people think women cannot be ordained, but not everyone.

No one ever answered my question about the deaconess and the fact that she was NOT of one WIFE as instructed in Timothy, further evidence that Paul was addressing a specific problem in a church or even a group of churches.

So, let's not get all high and mighty on this point regarding this woman. I just don't know her, so not familiar with what or how she preaches. If she preaches God's truth, God bless her and give her many male converts under ministry.

Cheers,

Jim

PS. I have a much higher regard for women in and out of the church. Mum raised me right, you know.

Brother Bob
11-11-2006, 06:00 PM
Figures...............

xdisciplex
11-11-2006, 08:09 PM
Do women even have spiritual authority? :confused:

Jesus didn't send out women as disciples.

Brother Bob
11-11-2006, 08:28 PM
Oh well, forget it..........

mcdirector
11-12-2006, 06:49 AM
Do women even have spiritual authority? :confused:

Jesus didn't send out women as disciples.

Can we not talk about Joyce Myers without poking fun at her or women's ministries. I'm not a fan of Myers, but Music4Him is and I have a great deal of respect for my fellow poster.

music4Him
11-12-2006, 07:34 AM
Can we not talk about Joyce Myers without poking fun at her or women's ministries. I'm not a fan of Myers, but Music4Him is and I have a great deal of respect for my fellow poster.

Thank you Bitsy~ :flower:

I guess the reason I like Joyce is because to me she don't dance around certian issues that I feel strongly about. The other reason is I got saved and healed listening to her one morning while waiting to have surgery. BTW, I was raised Baptist and my daddy was a Baptist Evangelist, but I can't deny the evidence of what I had been told all my life and what the Lord showed me. :flower:

music4Him
11-12-2006, 08:00 AM
Do women even have spiritual authority? :confused:

Jesus didn't send out women as disciples.

A disciple is anyone who is a student. So I suppose there were women who studied under Jesus' teaching. I know I do.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

As for women (as disciples) going out and proclaiming (preaching) Jesus...

Who were the first to tell the breatheren of the resurrection of Jesus? (Read Matt 28) :flower:

BTW, I don't know anymore that I want to preach in church because... that is for the saved people to come together and fellowship. I also believe men should pastor the church. I'd rather go preach (procliam) and tell sinners in the highways and the byways about my Lord Jesus! :godisgood:

JFox1
11-12-2006, 02:03 PM
Joyce Meyer is into that Word Faith Movement, which is loaded with false teachings:

Joyce MeyerI no longer sin "I'm going to tell you something folks, I didn't stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn't a sinner anymore. And the religious world thinks that's heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I'm righteous and I can't be righteous and be a sinner at the same time...All I was ever taught to say was, 'I'm a poor, miserable sinner.' I am not poor, I am not miserable and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I was and if I still am then Jesus died in vain. Amen" (Doctrinal Ambiguity of a Wandering Star-The Changing views of Joyce Meyer, G. Richard Fisher and Paul R. Belli)

But the Bible says:
"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" (1 John 1:8). "It is Christ's righteousness imparted to us, not ours, that makes us righteous" (Ibid.).

Christ's redemptive work culminated in Hell and not ultimately and completely on the Cross? "There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell" (The Most important Decision You will Ever Make, 1991, Joyce Meyer).
"His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. Remember in the very beginning of this, I said, 'When you die, only your body dies. The rest of you, your soul and spirit, goes either to heaven or hell'" (Ibid.).
"During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there...no plan was too extreme...Jesus paid on the cross and in hell" (Ibid., pg. 35).
"Jesus went to hell for you" (Ibid., pg. 38).

But the Bible refutes this:
"And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled. In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:" (Colossians 1:20-22, KJV)

Using Gamaliel logic as authoritative "It amazes me, and not only does it amaze me, it aggravates me. These people who think they've got a ministry of exposing what's wrong with everybody else...Why is it that people think that it's their call to go around and find out what's wrong with everybody else and print it? Do you know when people were try to stop Jesus, finally some very wise man said, 'Why don't you just leave us alone? If it's of God, you're not gonna stop it. And if it's not God, it won't last too long anyway.' Hallelujah! I mean, that's just the way I feel about it" ("Like a Mighty Wind", Joyce Meyer)

But is Gamaliel's idea correct?
"[Gamaliel] concludes that a genuine work of God will succeed, but a religion of human origin will fail. Gamaliel's logic is seriously flawed because he allows for only two possible sources or explanations for these religious movements--Human or Divine...The Scriptures warn of demonic or Satanic origin to much counterfeit religious belief and even miraculous phenomena. Using Gamaliel's logic, we would have to conclude that religions such as Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and modern cults such as the Mormons, Baha'i and the Jehovah's Witnesses are all inspired by God because they have not 'failed.'...Gamaliel is not a model of godly wisdom that Christians should emulate. His counsel, both in terms of what he advised the Sanhedrin to do and believe, was seriously flawed and most likely inspired by Satan" (Banner Ministries Mainstream Newsletter, Spring 1995, pg. 10) Romans 16:17-18 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." (KJV)

Blab it and Grab it "Remember then, that the Word of God is both spirit and life, use wisdom and begin speaking life to your situation" (The Name, the Word, The Blood, Joyce Meyer, pg. 38).
"Words are containers for power" (Ibid., pg. 37)


"...Word-Faith teachers advocate that through speaking and positive affirmations we can create our own reality. They usually refer to Genesis 1 and show that God spoke the world into existence and extrapolate that we, too, can speak creative words and can speak reality into existence. The fact that the premise breaks down because we are not God, does not deter Meyer..." (Doctrinal Ambiguity of a Wandering Star-The Changing views of Joyce Meyer, G. Richard Fisher and Paul R. Belli)