John Hagee

[Servent]

What do you know about him,I have have heard him once or twice but dont know much about him.

[LadyEagle]

Expect to get a lot of negative input about him, complete with rumors. But he's among the many evangelists and pastors who don't quite cut the mustard according to this crowd....

I like him, too, BTW, & occasionally catch him when channel surfing.

Here's his web site:

http://www.jhm.org


Okay, I'll leave now. :D

[Rachel]

I use to like him until I kept hearing him talk about how all jews are going to Heaven and all.
Here I thought that only those under the blood of Jesus were Heaven bound? Silly me. :rolleyes:

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Hagee is a nut and a false prophet.

Joseph Botwinick

[Brian30755]

I'm with LadyEagle...I like him too. But then again, there's a few other TV preachers that I enjoy listening to that most folks on this board don't like, like Frederick K.C. Price and Jesse Duplantis.

[yeshua4me2]

i liked hagee at first but now (that i have theology) his church is a bowl of cereal, and he is the largest flake, read for yourself: http://www.pfo.org/jonhagee.htm

[donnA]

anyone who says anyone not saved by Jesus is going to heaven is a false prophit

[guitarpreacher]

Originally posted by yeshua4me2:
i liked hagee at first but now (that i have theology) his church is a bowl of cereal, and he is the largest flake, read for yourself: http://www.pfo.org/jonhagee.htm That link takes you to something written by a guy named Richard Fisher (who knows what his agenda is) and he quotes the Houston Chronicle (and who knows what the agenda of that reporter is) supposedly quoting John Hagee. Considering all the books John Hagee has written and the sermons he's preached, I'd think that if you were going to rip into his ministry and label him a false teacher you could at least do your homework and find a direct quote to support what you say, instead of third hand information.

[DeafPosttrib]

I watch John Hagee on T.V. Cable at TBN many times. I do not like his attitude.

One time several years ago, he preached on diet to the congregation with big displays of diet. But himself is a fat man. Now, he seems getting losing some weights.

He also preaching on prophecy like as rapture. That is type of dispensationalism doctrine. I do not agree with him.

He seems boast and think he always right as what he preaching from God's Word. His preaching have lot of errors, and even, he is a hyprocrisy.

Actually, myself do not focus on TBN on T.V. often, because it is greedy and filled of lies.

Do not believe everything what they saying on TBN. Let's focus on God's Word than being watching on T.V.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

[blackbird]

Originally posted by DeafPosttrib:
I watch John Hagee on T.V. Cable at TBN many times. I do not like his attitude.

One time several years ago, he preached on diet to the congregation with big displays of diet. But himself is a fat man. Now, he seems getting losing some weights.

He also preaching on prophecy like as rapture. That is type of dispensationalism doctrine. I do not agree with him.

He seems boast and think he always right as what he preaching from God's Word. His preaching have lot of errors, and even, he is a hyprocrisy.

Actually, myself do not focus on TBN on T.V. often, because it is greedy and filled of lies.

Do not believe everything what they saying on TBN. Let's focus on God's Word than being watching on T.V.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen! Amen,, DPT!! Now---if we can just get you to convert over to the Pre-trib "tribe"--we'd make you a good SBCer!!! Hint: The Bar-B-Q is better on the front side of the second coming!!! graemlins/laugh.gif graemlins/laugh.gif graemlins/thumbs.gif

Your buddy always,
Bro. David

[Kiffen]

Hagee has been quoted over and over again as believing Jews go to Heaven differant than Gentiles. Just go to GOOGLE or any other search engine and you can get various heretical quotes of his belief in 2 ways to Heaven.

[guitarpreacher]

That's unethical. If you're going to attack the man's ministry, YOU go to Google and get the examples of his heretical quotes, don't tell me to do it.

[gb93433]

It is quite common knowledge that he divorced his wife and married the church secretary years ago.

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by Servent:
What do you know about him,I have have heard him once or twice but dont know much about him. Yes. He's the televangelist who weighs 500 pounds, but sells weight loss products on his show.

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by guitarpreacher:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by yeshua4me2:
i liked hagee at first but now (that i have theology) his church is a bowl of cereal, and he is the largest flake, read for yourself: http://www.pfo.org/jonhagee.htm That link takes you to something written by a guy named Richard Fisher (who knows what his agenda is) and he quotes the Houston Chronicle (and who knows what the agenda of that reporter is) supposedly quoting John Hagee. Considering all the books John Hagee has written and the sermons he's preached, I'd think that if you were going to rip into his ministry and label him a false teacher you could at least do your homework and find a direct quote to support what you say, instead of third hand information. </font>[/QUOTE]Actually, Rich Fisher is a reputable guy.

He works for a ministry called "Personal Freedom Outreach", which was cofounded and run by Bill and Joan Cetnar, who's son, Phil, was a close friend of mine many years ago.

Bill and Joan were also partners with Walter Martin many years ago and their teaching series with him, "Jehovah's Witnesses at Your Door", is an apologetics classic.

I don't know him personally, but I do know the ministry and I do know the family.

Anything asociated with the Cetnars is alright in my book.

[Martin]

This is a great example of Christian gossip (which is a sin). I see very little discussion of Hagee's actual teachings just rumors and gossip. I see one person even saying that it is "common knowledge" that he divorced his wife and married the church secretary. I don't know if that is true or not but before someone makes a claim like that they should support it with evidence (facts) otherwise it is just gossip. I see others saying what Hagee believes (etc) with little/no supporting evidence from Hagee's works! If he is a false teacher let's discuss HIS teachings, not what someone else says his teachings are!

Btw, I am not a fan or supporter of Hagee.

Let's stop the gossip.
Martin.

oooo, I am so not going to be popular after this....this could be worse then when I said on CARM that James Dobson compromises the gospel! graemlins/laugh.gif

[Kiffen]

That's unethical. If you're going to attack the man's ministry, YOU go to Google and get the examples of his heretical quotes, don't tell me to do it. Actually it would be unethical if what I was saying was false. We've discussed this over and over gain before in the past in this Forum of Hagee's heresy (I do not use that term lightly). There is a well documented interview with the Houston Chronicle plus others where Hagee states his belief that faithful Jews will go to Heaven without Christ. He does not hide these views but are well known.

Hagee is a false teacher who teaches 2 ways to Heaven. Here is 2 sources. I am sure you can find more.

http://www.myfortress.org/JohnHagee.html

http://www.pfo.org/jonhagee.htm

[guitarpreacher]

Nope, not good enough. You are wrong to attack a man's ministry based on what someone else says. You linked to the same article that was linked on the first page. That's third hand information. It shouldn't be that hard for you to find a direct quote from JH. Gossip doesn't have to be false to be wrong.

Of all the boards I've been a part of, the Baptist Board is the worst at this kind of stuff. Joel Osteen was torn to shreds on here, and not one single direct quote was given to support him being a false teacher, and now you guys are doing the same thing to John Hagee. You should be ashamed.

[Kiffen]

It is not what someone else says. They are direct quotes of Hagee in a Houston newspaper and also from TBN broadcasrs. To say Hagee doesn't believe what he says he believes is like saying D.James Kennedy is not a Calvinist or Adrian Rogers is not a Baptist DESPITE the fact they say they are. I don't think Hagee has any problems with his quotes but embraces them.

As for Osteen, perhaps you have never heard him preach or heard any of his interviews.

[guitarpreacher]

I'll ask again. With all the books he has written and sermons he preached, why do you have to go to the secular media to find ammo against him?

[webdog]

Originally posted by Mike McK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Servent:
What do you know about him,I have have heard him once or twice but dont know much about him. Yes. He's the televangelist who weighs 500 pounds, but sells weight loss products on his show. </font>[/QUOTE]Attack a person's appearance...unreal. :mad:

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by webdog:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mike McK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Servent:
What do you know about him,I have have heard him once or twice but dont know much about him. Yes. He's the televangelist who weighs 500 pounds, but sells weight loss products on his show. </font>[/QUOTE]Attack a person's appearance...unreal. :mad: </font>[/QUOTE]Actually, I never attacked his appearance, I attacked the hypocrisy of a morbidly obese person telling me how to lose weight.

[webdog]

Originally posted by Mike McK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by webdog:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mike McK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Servent:
What do you know about him,I have have heard him once or twice but dont know much about him. Yes. He's the televangelist who weighs 500 pounds, but sells weight loss products on his show. </font>[/QUOTE]Attack a person's appearance...unreal. :mad: </font>[/QUOTE]Actually, I never attacked his appearance, I attacked the hypocrisy of a morbidly obese person telling me how to lose weight. </font>[/QUOTE]And my point is...WHO CARES?? What does a man's appearance and sales ability have to do with what he preaches? IT DOESN'T!

[PatsFan]

Originally posted by Martin:
This is a great example of Christian gossip

Let's stop the gossip.
Martin.

oooo, I am so not going to be popular after this....this could be worse then when I said on CARM that James Dobson compromises the gospel! graemlins/laugh.gif Stop the gossip? If you insist, Martin- -but first I want to hear all about your slur against James Dobson. What were you thinking!!!!!!!
;)

[Martin]

You said:
but first I want to hear all about your slur against James Dobson. What were you thinking!!!!!!!


==To be honest...I am really not sure what I was thinking. I just got outraged about the fact that he had Dr Laura on his show promoting her a few years ago (and I heard the show). It just hit me one day that she is an open Christ rejector who teaches that Jesus is not the way, the truth, the life, and the only way to the Father. I also am disturbed by Dobson's political activism.

As you can guess, the result of my "slur" was not pretty. In fact it was over this that I ended up leaving CARM. Let's just say that most did not agree with me graemlins/saint.gif

Martin.

[LarryN]

What does a man's appearance and sales ability have to do with what he preaches? IT DOESN'T!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Try telling that to the Rick Warren detractors who criticize Warren for those very things (among others).

For example, the preacher in the last online sermon I listened to in which Warren was mentioned seemed to take particular glee in denouncing Warren due to his penchant for wearing (gasp!) Hawaiian-style shirts.

[Mike McK]

Originally posted by webdog:
And my point is...WHO CARES?? What does a man's appearance and sales ability have to do with what he preaches? IT DOESN'T! I agree, which is why I've never said that it does.

Haggee has enough problems with his teaching without dragging his weight into it.

Again, what I was commenting on wasn't his teaching, but the hypocrisy of someone who is morbidly obese trying to tell me that I should lose weight.

I've been an athelete since childhood. I will pit my weight and my condition against his any day of the week.

Why would I buy a weight loss plan from a fat guy, anyway?

I mean, if it was any good, why didn't it work for him?

[Johnv]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Expect to get a lot of negative input about him, complete with rumors. But he's among the many evangelists and pastors who don't quite cut the mustard according to this crowd....Well, there ain't no scripture requirement to "cut the mustard".

Hagee isn't my cup of tea. The only time I get my doctrinal antennae up is when he goes on about Jews and heaven (which imo doesn't line up with scripture). Other than that, he seems to be okay. Again, he's not my cup of tea, but just because I don't care for him, that doesn't make him a bad guy. Others seem to like him just fine. To each his own.

[Jeffrey H]

Originally posted by Servent:
What do you know about him,I have have heard him once or twice but dont know much about him. He's like alot of preachers on TV. You have to pick out the meat from the bones.

[patrick]

I have heard hagee preach if Jesus was here today, He would be wearing a Rolex. In the sermon Hagee talked about Jesus be wealthy while on Earth. Jesus owned several homes...etc. It just don't add up to the Bible accounts of Christ on this earth.

[Brian30755]

I have heard hagee preach if Jesus was here today, He would be wearing a Rolex. In the sermon Hagee talked about Jesus be wealthy while on Earth. Jesus owned several homes...etc. I've heard those quotes attributed to several different preachers on TV. Either several of them are saying the exact same thing, or somebody's quoting what they heard somebody heard somebody said.

[west]

His kids are good singers !

[Martin]

Where are the sources for all of these claims?

I am not asking for newspaper clippings or a link to some webpage. I am asking for actual tapes, cds, or books where Hagee has made these claims.

Martin.

[guitarpreacher]

Hey Martin,

Don't hold your breath, Bro.

[blackbird]

I've heard him over TBN cable---listened long enough to know I don't need to be listening to him any longer.

But my wife's Grandfather---he thinks Hagee is the best thing since "Sliced Bread!"

Blackbird

[Rachel]

Originally posted by Martin:
Where are the sources for all of these claims?

I am not asking for newspaper clippings or a link to some webpage. I am asking for actual tapes, cds, or books where Hagee has made these claims.

Martin. Give him a listen and compare him with scripture and you might see what some of us have heard...unbiblical teaching.

I don't know about anyone else, but once I hear a Pastor teach unbiblical things on the essentials of Christianity I stop listening to them and thinking they are all that. :cool:

[Thankful]

As I read these threads about TV preachers, I wonder if the people who are criticizing them believe everything that their own pastor preaches. Are these people going to stop going to church to listen to their pastors because they disagree with them?

I think that most of these men are Godly men and are doing the work and the will of the Lord. Who are we to criticize them because they differ in our understanding of the Bible.

Now, I know the argument that we have to be careful of false teachers, but personally, I do not believe that everything that these men teach is false. Maybe I am listening with a different ear. ;)

I like the message of Jim Hagee I just don't like his presentation. Of course, I have not analzed everyone of his sermons.

[Martin]

Rachel,

You said:
Give him a listen and compare him with scripture and you might see what some of us have heard...unbiblical teaching.

==I am very familiar with the teachings of John Hagee. I have seen his tv show many, many times and I own several of his books. I know what he teaches and I know where I agree and where I strongly disagree. That is not the issue. The issue here is that alot of people are making claims based on, at best, secondary sources. I want to see some direct quotes from his books, cds, videos (etc) with page numbers, tape nubmers, etc, so everyone else can verify the claim. These secondary sources are other people saying "John Hagee said" which may or maynot be trustworthy. Since we have access to all of his material there should be no problem fulfilling my request for direct sources (etc).

You said:
I don't know about anyone else, but once I hear a Pastor teach unbiblical things on the essentials of Christianity I stop listening to them and thinking they are all that.

==I agree and that is why I pay zero attention to 90% of the tv preachers. However when I critize them I will provide direct quotes (etc) as my evidence and not secondary sources.

Martin.

[Rachel]

Well this below is some of what Hagee teaches.
It's not from his site so you might want to ignore it. lol

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h31.html

A number of people consider Hagee's teachings to be thoroughly biblical. We would disagree with Hagee, however, on the following points.

Preaching Prosperity
John Hagee believes that all Christians should be financially prosperous so long as they continue to walk in obedience to God's ordinances. Although he does not subscribe to every doctrine common to the so-called Faith movement, he does agree with the movement's view that “poverty is caused by sin and disobeying the Word of God.”1 Hagee, like most other prosperity preachers, believes that “poverty is a curse.”
[...]

Promoting Positive Confession
Along with the prosperity message, Hagee accepts and promotes the doctrine of positive confession — a foundational teaching of the Faith movement which maintains that Christians can speak (i.e., positively confess) physical realities into existence as long as the believer exercises enough faith to accompany his or her verbal confession.
[...]

Salvation Without Conversion?
Hagee is recognized as a fierce foe of anti-Semitism. An outspoken supporter of the Jewish people, Judaism, and the nation Israel, he has been given the “Humanitarian of the Year” award by the San Antonio B'nai B'rith Council. Hagee has also been bestowed the “ZOA Israel Service Award” by the Zionist Organization in Dallas and honored with the “Henrietta Szold Award” by the Texas Southern Region of Hadassah.

While his bold stance against anti-Semitism is certainly praiseworthy, Hagee's zealousness for the Jewish people and their cause has led him to commit a most serious doctrinal error — salvation for the Jews without conversion to Christianity.

Though many may claim Hagee's preaching is helping to spread the Word of God and building a bridge of unity between the Christian and Jewish communities, the fact remains that his message contains elements which lie in direct and serious opposition to biblical truth.
Source: John Hagee, Christian Research Institute Statement DH005

[JohnAMac]

I've heard some Baptists criticize Hagee for his acceptance of extra-Biblical revelation, mainly through the delivery of a "word from the Lord" accompanied by signs and wonders. I don't find any places where he has written directly about this, though that would be consistent with some Charismatic and Pentecostal teaching.

Frankly, I don't really see a problem with John Hagee. I believe a lot of the criticism he receives, especially from the fundamentalist side of Christianity, is sparked by professional jealousy over the fact that he's been able to build a large congregation that is younger and more vibrant than most Baptists are able to do these days.

The one thing I don't like about him is his negativism toward believers in other faith traditions. I don't think you are doing your congregation or listeners any favors by constantly putting up straw arguments about the doctrinal flaws of other faiths. Paul didn't tell the Philippian jailer to achieve doctrinal correctness to be saved, he said to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, so that God's grace can save you. Differences in interpreting select passages of scripture are the result of a different approach to interpretation, not salvation by grace, and criticizing other denominations and their beliefs just cuts down your own credibility and makes you come off as arrogant. Just ask any one of a hundred people who live in the neighborhood around my church to tell you what they don't like about Baptists. Hagee does the same sort of thing to get a rise out of the gathered.

[LadyEagle]

Originally posted by guitarpreacher:

Of all the boards I've been a part of, the Baptist Board is the worst at this kind of stuff. Joel Osteen was torn to shreds on here, and not one single direct quote was given to support him being a false teacher, and now you guys are doing the same thing to John Hagee. You should be ashamed. You should see the threads about Billy Graham... :rolleyes: :(

[guitarpreacher]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by guitarpreacher:

Of all the boards I've been a part of, the Baptist Board is the worst at this kind of stuff. Joel Osteen was torn to shreds on here, and not one single direct quote was given to support him being a false teacher, and now you guys are doing the same thing to John Hagee. You should be ashamed. You should see the threads about Billy Graham... :rolleyes: :( </font>[/QUOTE]Yep, I was there for that one. Same song, different verse. Joel Osteen was by far the worst.

[Ed Edwards]

This site:
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h31.html
sez
//While his bold stance against anti-Semitism is certainly praiseworthy, Hagee's zealousness for the Jewish people and their cause has led him to commit a most serious doctrinal error — salvation for the Jews without conversion to Christianity. Source: John Hagee, Christian Research Institute Statement DH005//

Until I find this taught by Hagee, i will consider it a false
witness (Deu 5:20 /KJV1611 Edition/ Neither shalt thou beare
false witnesse against thy neighbour.) Both Apologetics Index
and Christian Research Institue have reason to NOT accurately
reflect Hagee's sayings.


At Hagee's site:
http://www.jhm.org
i find:

//Every Christian should remember the debt of gratitude the Christian community owes to the Jewish community. The Jewish people do not need Christianity to explain their existence or their origin. But Christians cannot explain their existence without Judaism.//

Amen, Brother Hagee -- Preach it!

Maybe to some, these are the same? They are NOT the same to me

[Rachel]

graemlins/laugh.gif My husband just said how can they agree with someone that has said all jews are going to Heaven, without having salvation through Jesus?
We both heard that from Hagee's mouth maybe 5 yrs ago, when I watched those channels. It just makes me go hmmm.

[Ed Edwards]

I beleive it is a sin to dis the chosen vessel
of God over one misunderstood saying.
Do we bounce from Church to church every time
the pastor makes a boo-boo?

I believe what Peter said:

Act 4:12 (KJV1611 Edition):
Neither is there saluation in any other: for there
is none other name vnder heauen giuen among
men whereby we must be saued.

And that name is Jesus.

I believe that the Tribulation Period under the world
ruled by Antichrist is to save a maximum number of Jews.
When the Anctichrist commits the Abomination of
Desolation (AoD) and goes into the restored 3rd temple
at mid-tribulation and declares himself God, many Jews
will then see Jesus as their Messiah and be saved.

One way to say the same thing is: there is
"salvation for the Jews without conversion to Christianity".
This saying does NOT mean the same thing as saying:
"there is salvation for the Jews outside of Jesus".

Christianity does not save anybody - people are saved by
Jesus. I am a gentile. I believe that Jesus is the
Christ ('Christ' comes to English
from a Greek word meaning 'the anointed
one of God). Believing Jews of this Age of the Gentiles
that we are in - Messianic Jews
believe that Jesus is the Messiah ('Messiah' comes to
English from a Hebrew word meaning 'the anointed
one of God).

In the 1940s some six million Jews (not necessarily Messianic
Jews) were killed by the terrorists of the Hitler camp
IN THE NAME OF 'CHRIST'. Needless to say, no Jew wants to
ever become a Christian - Messianic Jew yes, Christian no.

So yes, i don't tell my Jewish friends they have to
become Chritians to be saved.

Again, all salvation in every age is through faith
in Messiah Yeshua (AKA: Iesus in the KJV1611 Edition,
Jesus in the modern version KJV, and many other names
in many languaged) -- the one and only name whereby we
MUST BE SAVED!

[Dina]

"Jesus was not poor...Jesus had a nice house! John 1:38 says that Jesus turned to those that were following him and said, 'Come with me.' And they said, 'Where dwellest thou?' He said, 'Come and see.' And Jesus took that whole crowd home with Him to stay in His house. That meant it was a big house! Jesus wore fine clothes! John 19:23 says, 'He had a seamless robe.' Roman soldiers gambled for it at the foot of the cross. It was a designer original! It was valuable enough for them to want it!...And then there are christians that have a poverty complex that says, 'Well, I feel guilty about having nice things.' Jesus didn't!"---John Hagee, Praise-A-Thon, Trinity Broadcasting Network November 5, 2004

"Poverty is caused by sin and disobeying the Word of God."---John Hagee, Praise-A-Thon, Trinity Broadcasting Network April 16, 1993

"Poverty is a curse."---John Hagee, Praise-A-Thon, Trinity Broadcasting Network Nov 4, 1992

"The Jews were not rejecting Jesus as Messiah, it was Jesus who was refusing to be the Messiah to the Jews!"--John Hagee, Should Christians Support Israel? pg 67-68

There are Jewish people who have relationship with God right now according to the election of grace. (Romans 11:5) ... The Jewish people are judicially blinded to the identity of Messiah... Question: If God blinded the Jewish people to the identity of Jesus as Messiah, how could He send them to hell for not seeing what he had forbidden them to see? ... Inasmuch as God has blinded them to the identity of Messiah, targeting the Jewish people for mass evangelism is fruitless."---John Hagee letter (on Cornerstone Church letterhead) to Erwin M. de Castro of the Christian Research Institute, October 18, 1994,

[Servent]

The reason I started this thread was because my wife bought one of his books and was asking question about him,I had heard of him but do not know him,I think I will read some of his books and find out for myself.
Thanks Danny

[Kiffen]

Thanks for the quotes Dina. Hagee is just your typical Word of Faith Charismatic Preacher plus he is hyperdispensational who has a unusual obsession with Israel (Reminds me of Roman Catholic devotion to Mary) and who allows Jewish rabbis to share the Church podium at their "Support Israel rally" and even had a unbeliever like Benjamin Netanyahu speak from the Church pulpit.

[dh1948]

It overwhelms me that there are people who will defend a preacher who teaches what is obviously false doctrine. God help us.

[Hardsheller]

Originally posted by dh1948:
It overwhelms me that there are people who will defend a preacher who teaches what is obviously false doctrine. God help us. It overwhelms me that there are BAPTIST people who will defend a NONBAPTIST or a BAPTIST preacher who teaches what is obviously false doctrine.

But then I'm a Calvinist so what do I know? :D

[dh1948]

You couldn't help but say that, could you, Hardsheller? smile.gif

[Hardsheller]

:cool: graemlins/laugh.gif :cool:

[dh1948]

Thanks for taking that in the spirit in which it was intended. Praise!

[LadyEagle]

Thank you, Brother Ed for your posts.