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Zaac
01-06-2014, 08:59 PM
The new Taco Bell commercial with the kid running out of some girl's house. "Let's say her parents came home early. Take the nachos and run."

The Kasey Kahne All-State commercials.

canadyjd
01-06-2014, 11:25 PM
Many, many commercials and T.V. shows follow this pattern. How can you prevent your kids from being exposed? Get rid of the T.V.'s?

Scriptures says to set no "unclean thing" before your eyes. Do you think Christians should get rid of their televisions?

Zaac
01-07-2014, 12:30 AM
Many, many commercials and T.V. shows follow this pattern. How can you prevent your kids from being exposed? Get rid of the T.V.'s?

Scriptures says to set no "unclean thing" before your eyes. Do you think Christians should get rid of their televisions?

No. Please Christians go ahead and keep your tvs because it is much more important that we be entertained than we be holy. That's me being facetious. :laugh:

My list, which will be ongoing, is just to show how we complain about the homosexual agenda being pushed but how overwhelmingly we've normalized heterosexual lust and fornication into our everyday existence because we aren't willing to get rid of our tvs or turn them off because we accept the heterosexual sin. Our at least our actions tend to say that we do.

HAMel
01-07-2014, 04:09 AM
That's me being facetious.

No Zaac..., that's you being honest!!! :thumbsup: ...and good for you!!!

TV will never go away and one would probably be locked up should their kids go to school telling a teacher they were NOT allowed said device in the home. American's are addicted to home entertainment and it makes for the perfect baby sitter.

The "Walton's" come to mind. I wasn't in that generation but had relatives that carried that family attitude up and until they died. I have such fond memories...

saturneptune
01-07-2014, 04:34 AM
Zaac,
I must admit, I avoid Geico commercials because I have a thing for

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4865301507867039&w=132&h=188&c=7&rs=1&

and lately.............

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4587146544351005&w=266&h=188&c=7&rs=1&

Bro. James
01-07-2014, 05:25 AM
Lust of the eyes is not a new phenomenon. Adam and Eve contracted a fatal case of lust when they disobeyed God. All of their progeny has it--along with lust of flesh and pride of life. Lust is a major factor of the totality of our depravity. Being born again increases the spiritual warfare. We realize how sinful we really are. But we have The Advocate, Jesus Christ, The Righteous.

Cyberspace skin shows are a modern example of the immorality which has been working in this country since at least WWII, maybe roaring twenties. War has a way of increasing fornication and adultery. There are many more opportunities for sinning. I recall seeing movies like: "Splendor in the Grass" when I was a young teenager. Hugh Hefner got started about this time too. Pornography is not a new issue--it goes to around the time of the ancient Greeks, perhaps further back in time.

The problem with the moral code, or the lack thereof, lies in the fact that sin is allowable if one is over 21. Also, we have redefined what sin might be: abortion is not murder, but freedom of choice; homosexuality is not abomination, but alternate lifestyle.

We are living on the edges of Sodom and Gomorrah. "Remember Lot's wife."

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

thisnumbersdisconnected
01-07-2014, 10:31 AM
No. Please Christians go ahead and keep your tvs because it is much more important that we be entertained than we be holy.Define holiness. That is the key to this discussion. Thanks. :thumbsup:

InTheLight
01-07-2014, 10:45 AM
Originally Posted by Zaac No. Please Christians go ahead and keep your tvs because it is much more important that we be entertained than we be holy.

Define holiness. That is the key to this discussion. Thanks. :thumbsup:

I see Zaac is at it again--the arbiter and judge of holiness on BB. Also, being holy and being entertained is not an either/or situation.

Zaac
01-07-2014, 11:33 AM
Zaac,
I must admit, I avoid Geico commercials because I have a thing for

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4865301507867039&w=132&h=188&c=7&rs=1&

and lately.............

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4587146544351005&w=266&h=188&c=7&rs=1&

SN, you know I can't stand that proper talking lil lizard or that disgusting lil pig. :laugh:

Zaac
01-07-2014, 11:41 AM
Define holiness. That is the key to this discussion. Thanks. :thumbsup:

Perhaps in another thread if you'd like to start it? This one is still about how heterosexual lust and fornication have been normalized into tv far more than you'll ever see homosexual anything.

Both are equally wrong but we go about the status quo with one while complaining heavily about the other.

webdog
01-07-2014, 11:46 AM
Perhaps in another thread if you'd like to start it? This one is still about how heterosexual lust and fornication have been normalized into tv far more than you'll ever see homosexual anything.

Both are equally wrong but we go about the status quo with one while complaining heavily about the other.

The reason for that is one is actively trying to include us in their sin and forcing us to not only condone it, but approve and endorse it. Nobody who is fornicating is trying to politicize it.

Bro. Curtis
01-07-2014, 11:49 AM
Perhaps in another thread if you'd like to start it? This one is still about how heterosexual lust and fornication have been normalized into tv far more than you'll ever see homosexual anything.

Both are equally wrong but we go about the status quo with one while complaining heavily about the other.


But you brought "holiness" into it, so it's a fair challenge.

Gib
01-07-2014, 11:53 AM
Perhaps in another thread if you'd like to start it? This one is still about how heterosexual lust and fornication have been normalized into tv far more than you'll ever see homosexual anything.

Both are equally wrong but we go about the status quo with one while complaining heavily about the other.
What were the kids actually doing? The commercial never says. Were they fornicating and eating taco bell at the same time? We have some parents in my church that would have the same reaction if they came home and found a boy in their home doing nothing but sitting on the couch. There's nothing implied here. It's left up to the viewer's imagination. Someone is thinking the worst.

nodak
01-07-2014, 11:53 AM
Webdog--you got it so right!

But to answer Zaac--who says Christians are not trying to do away with heterosexual fornication and lust on tv? I know many Christian families that shun tv altogether, and some that have it but connect only to a dvd player and select only high quality shows, sans the commercials.

But I've never seen, to be honest, any person openly engaging in adultery or fornication ask a local church to hold a ceremony to bless that, as the gays have one church in our town. Never saw, for that matter, an addict or alcoholic bring their booze or dope to church to get blessed for their relationship with it, either.

Now I do agree some come asking to be blessed for a second marriage without scriptural grounds for divorce from the first marriage are asking for adultery to be blessed. But hopefully very few churches would do so.

Never saw a couple that was just shacking up come and ask for a church ceremony for it, either.

So let us be perfectly honest: Christians are NOT all that focused on homosexuality. The gays and lesbians are bringing this fight into the church THEMSELVES, then get all offended when someone tells them NO.

Zaac
01-07-2014, 12:09 PM
The reason for that is one is actively trying to include us in their sin and forcing us to not only condone it, but approve and endorse it. Nobody who is fornicating is trying to politicize it.

Umm they already have. That's why the envelope is pushed more and more. They've already done with heterosexual fornication and lust the same thing folks complain about the homosexuals now trying to do.

That's why it's in everything OPENLY, and on everything OPENLY.

Zaac
01-07-2014, 12:10 PM
But you brought "holiness" into it, so it's a fair challenge.

It's off topic and for another thread.

Zaac
01-07-2014, 12:12 PM
What were the kids actually doing? The commercial never says. Were they fornicating and eating taco bell at the same time? We have some parents in my church that would have the same reaction if they came home and found a boy in their home doing nothing but sitting on the couch. There's nothing implied here. It's left up to the viewer's imagination. Someone is thinking the worst.

You're obviously thinking the worst because that's not why I listed the Taco Bell commercial.

webdog
01-07-2014, 12:14 PM
Umm they already have. That's why the envelope is pushed more and more. They've already done with heterosexual fornication and lust the same thing folks complain about the homosexuals now trying to do.

That's why it's in everything OPENLY, and on everything OPENLY.
Pushing a moral envelope is not trying to politicize it and get everyone to participate. As GiB said, the Taco Bell commercial didn't insinuate what you stated, that is how you interpreted it.

webdog
01-07-2014, 12:16 PM
You're obviously thinking the worst because that's not why I listed the Taco Bell commercial.

:laugh: Yeah..."normalized sexual fornication and lust" typed itself.

Bro. Curtis
01-07-2014, 12:27 PM
It's off topic and for another thread.since you brought it up, the challenge is fair. Your refusal to answer it is kinda funny.

Bro. Curtis
01-07-2014, 12:28 PM
:laugh: Yeah..."normalized sexual fornication and lust" typed itself.

This is also funny.

Zaac
01-07-2014, 12:38 PM
Webdog--you got it so right!

But to answer Zaac--who says Christians are not trying to do away with heterosexual fornication and lust on tv? I know many Christian families that shun tv altogether, and some that have it but connect only to a dvd player and select only high quality shows, sans the commercials.

I'm aware of this. But the average "Christian" watching the same stuff with the same heterosexual fornication and lust that the world is watching.

But I've never seen, to be honest, any person openly engaging in adultery or fornication ask a local church to hold a ceremony to bless that, as the gays have one church in our town. Never saw, for that matter, an addict or alcoholic bring their booze or dope to church to get blessed for their relationship with it, either.

And folks keep making comments or comments akin to it. I remember Leave it to Beaver and they wouldn't even show them sleeping in the same bed. And now it's unmarried folks in bed and simulating any and everything. They don't have to ask us to bless it anymore because we watch it and have assimiltaed it into our lives as entertainment. There's not much need to say anything about Will and Grace when our kids ae watching Gossip Girl.

Now I do agree some come asking to be blessed for a second marriage without scriptural grounds for divorce from the first marriage are asking for adultery to be blessed. But hopefully very few churches would do so.

Never saw a couple that was just shacking up come and ask for a church ceremony for it, either.

They don't have to. They do it all the time on tv and we condone it.

So let us be perfectly honest: Christians are NOT all that focused on homosexuality.

Yes we are.

The gays and lesbians are bringing this fight into the church THEMSELVES, then get all offended when someone tells them NO.

If I had someone condoning by their actions every other type of sin, but pointing the finger at mine, I'd be bringing the fight to them to.

Bro. Curtis
01-07-2014, 01:14 PM
Yes we are.




Can you define "we" ?

Zaac
01-07-2014, 01:29 PM
Can you define "we" ?

No need to. The dictionary has done that.:thumbsup:

Bro. Curtis
01-07-2014, 01:55 PM
OK. It's just that I see YOU bring it up as much as anyone else.

ktn4eg
01-07-2014, 02:06 PM
Where is our good Brother Sanderson now that we NEED him??? :tonofbricks:

InTheLight
01-07-2014, 03:14 PM
OK. It's just that I see YOU bring it up as much as anyone else.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2001932&postcount=1

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2006285&postcount=2

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1977801&postcount=1

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1965586&postcount=1

Yeshua1
01-07-2014, 03:16 PM
No. Please Christians go ahead and keep your tvs because it is much more important that we be entertained than we be holy. That's me being facetious. :laugh:

My list, which will be ongoing, is just to show how we complain about the homosexual agenda being pushed but how overwhelmingly we've normalized heterosexual lust and fornication into our everyday existence because we aren't willing to get rid of our tvs or turn them off because we accept the heterosexual sin. Our at least our actions tend to say that we do.

Know you cannot accept what God Himself stated on this, but active homosexuality is worse than stright sexual sinning, as while ALl activities outside of the marriage bed is sin before Him, and shall be judged by Him, those in homosexuality are commiting unnatural perversions, abominations before the lord, and are engaging in acts beyond and sicker then those other ones, for they willingly violate the created natural function and order!

Zaac
01-07-2014, 03:29 PM
Know you cannot accept what God Himself stated on this, but active homosexuality is worse than stright sexual sinning, as while ALl activities outside of the marriage bed is sin before Him, and shall be judged by Him, those in homosexuality are commiting unnatural perversions, abominations before the lord, and are engaging in acts beyond and sicker then those other ones, for they willingly violate the created natural function and order!

I know you can't accept it, but the unforgiven homosexual sinner is no worse off than the unforgiven heterosexual sinner.:thumbsup:

Yeshua1
01-07-2014, 03:35 PM
The reason for that is one is actively trying to include us in their sin and forcing us to not only condone it, but approve and endorse it. Nobody who is fornicating is trying to politicize it.

Ding Ding Ding!

the Homosexual activists are into thechurches trying to get entire denominations and clergy endorsing their acts of perversion as being an 'acceptable alternate lifestyle", and sadly, MANY in the church have bough ttheir line, but when have we ever seen the pro murder and rape crowd in church promoting that as 'acceptable lifestyles?"

Gib
01-07-2014, 03:41 PM
You're obviously thinking the worst because that's not why I listed the Taco Bell commercial.

It is what you are thinking…



My list, which will be ongoing, is just to show how we complain about the homosexual agenda being pushed but how overwhelmingly we've normalized heterosexual lust and fornication into our everyday existence because we aren't willing to get rid of our tvs or turn them off because we accept the heterosexual sin. Our at least our actions tend to say that we do.

What does your taco bell commercial got to do with heterosexual lust and fornication if you're not thinking the worst.

Zaac
01-07-2014, 03:45 PM
Ding Ding Ding!

the Homosexual activists are into thechurches trying to get entire denominations and clergy endorsing their acts of perversion as being an 'acceptable alternate lifestyle", and sadly, MANY in the church have bough ttheir line, but when have we ever seen the pro murder and rape crowd in church promoting that as 'acceptable lifestyles?"

Again, when the church is tacitly giving its approval of everything else by our consumption of these things, why wouldn't they push to be treated the same way?

The world is acting the way that it does because the church ain't acting like followers of Christ.

Zaac
01-07-2014, 03:47 PM
It is what you are thinking…


I guess you're reading minds now...


What does your taco bell commercial got to do with heterosexual lust and fornication if you're not thinking the worst.

If your first assumption is true, then you can read minds so you tell me.:thumbsup:

Bro. Curtis
01-07-2014, 03:52 PM
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2001932&postcount=1

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2006285&postcount=2

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1977801&postcount=1

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1965586&postcount=1

Yup. That's what I thought.

Yeshua1
01-07-2014, 04:01 PM
Again, when the church is tacitly giving its approval of everything else by our consumption of these things, why wouldn't they push to be treated the same way?

The world is acting the way that it does because the church ain't acting like followers of Christ.

no, the big problem in this area is that the church adopted the world viewpint that Honosexuality is OK by god, just another acceptable alternate lifestyle!

Do you think jesus would endorse the bif gay metroploitian church in NY, with all of it gay pride and thanking God for their partners stuff?

InTheLight
01-07-2014, 04:17 PM
What does your taco bell commercial got to do with heterosexual lust and fornication if you're not thinking the worst.

Here's the actual commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjx15jewdTE

The line that so offends Zaac is the answer to the question, "Why would you ever need to eat your nachos on the go?" Answer: "Let's say her parents came home early."

So, I don't know. The guy is fully dressed and eating a nacho while running down the street. There is definitely something going on that the father of the girl is not too happy about, but it does take some imagination to decide the kid is in trouble because he was having "heterosexual fornication".

Gib
01-07-2014, 04:37 PM
You're obviously thinking the worst because that's not why I listed the Taco Bell commercial.

You obviously read my mind first. I was just returning the favor. It was a for short read. Got anything else?

Zaac
01-07-2014, 04:44 PM
no, the big problem in this area is that the church adopted the world viewpint that Honosexuality is OK by god, just another acceptable alternate lifestyle!

The church hasn't adopted THAT viewpoint. The church's viewpoint has become the same one you're attempting to sell in saying that this is the worst of the worst when it comes to sin.

Do you think jesus would endorse the bif gay metroploitian church in NY, with all of it gay pride and thanking God for their partners stuff?

No more so than He would endorse a church in metro -Detroit that creates modern day lepers.

Zaac
01-07-2014, 04:50 PM
Here's the actual commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjx15jewdTE

The line that so offends Zaac is the answer to the question, "Why would you ever need to eat your nachos on the go?" Answer: "Let's say her parents came home early."

So, I don't know. The guy is fully dressed and eating a nacho while running down the street. There is definitely something going on that the father of the girl is not too happy about, but it does take some imagination to decide the kid is in trouble because he was having "heterosexual fornication".

ITL, my problem with that commercial is that it does what we have okayed the world to do for so long and that is make wrong behavior seem okay and cool.

It's become somewhat of a right of passage for the guy to sneak into the house when the parents don't know he's there. It is a theme replayed in movies again and again. And this commercial further glorifies it. But folks seem to be okay with it because it's "natural". SMH.

InTheLight
01-07-2014, 05:23 PM
ITL, my problem with that commercial is that it does what we have okayed the world to do for so long and that is make wrong behavior seem okay and cool.

It's become somewhat of a right of passage for the guy to sneak into the house when the parents don't know he's there. It is a theme replayed in movies again and again. And this commercial further glorifies it. But folks seem to be okay with it because it's "natural". SMH.

Exactly what is the wrong behavior here? I don't know what it is, the commercial doesn't define it.

righteousdude2
01-07-2014, 10:05 PM
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Zaac
01-08-2014, 12:54 AM
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Go away person who is supposed to have me on IGNORE.:wavey:

righteousdude2
01-08-2014, 01:13 AM
I have discovered a renewed peace of mind since I learned how to use ignore. When a brother or sister live only to argue and judge you, it is a wonderful peace of mind to be able to write what I want and know that whatever they write in return is not being heard.

Ilove seeing those little notes that "So-in-so" is on ignore! I feel like singing! I feel like dancing as David danced! I only wish I had the ability to hit the "Ignore" button when my first wife was causing me so many headaches in life! :laugh:

ShagNappy
01-08-2014, 11:15 AM
The reason for that is one is actively trying to include us in their sin and forcing us to not only condone it, but approve and endorse it. Nobody who is fornicating is trying to politicize it.

This is the absurdness of it right here. The fight was waged. We lost. It happened during the "sexual revolution." It was already forced on us. Ever watch TV? Surf the internet? Read a magazine? Sweet francis man, you cannot watch a "G" rated family show on a kids channel with some bra/underwear commercial with mostly nude people on it. It's forced on us constantly. To say otherwise is lying.

The simple truth is, and this is proven every time there is an argument about homosexuality, even with Phil Robertson and that who stupid thing, it came down to two men kissing and having, well, guess I would get banned if I said it. So, two men doing the "hokey pokey." It makes people feel icky and men feel threatened. If it was purely lesbianism, especially lipstick lesbians, the fight would have been over years ago.

Simple truth, no one is going to hell for being gay. They are going to hell for a lack of a personal savior. Someone they tend to not stick around to hear about because "Christians" spend an inordinate amount of time trying to convince everyone that this one sin is special. It's the end all be all unforgivable sin that is going to destroy the world. Forget the rape, the murder, child molestation, torture, sex slave trade, etc., we gotta get them queers.

thisnumbersdisconnected
01-08-2014, 11:28 AM
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May he proudly display it on his man cave wall, right above his PC, in order to remind him how grateful all of us are to have a person of his caliber among us to keep us all on the right track regarding what we continually fail to see in the Word of God! :thumbsup::thumbsup:I will endorse this award by providing the proof of the theory behind it:

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Zaac
01-08-2014, 12:36 PM
This is the absurdness of it right here. The fight was waged. We lost. It happened during the "sexual revolution." It was already forced on us. Ever watch TV? Surf the internet? Read a magazine? Sweet francis man, you cannot watch a "G" rated family show on a kids channel with some bra/underwear commercial with mostly nude people on it. It's forced on us constantly. To say otherwise is lying.

The simple truth is, and this is proven every time there is an argument about homosexuality, even with Phil Robertson and that who stupid thing, it came down to two men kissing and having, well, guess I would get banned if I said it. So, two men doing the "hokey pokey." It makes people feel icky and men feel threatened. If it was purely lesbianism, especially lipstick lesbians, the fight would have been over years ago.

Simple truth, no one is going to hell for being gay. They are going to hell for a lack of a personal savior. Someone they tend to not stick around to hear about because "Christians" spend an inordinate amount of time trying to convince everyone that this one sin is special. It's the end all be all unforgivable sin that is going to destroy the world. Forget the rape, the murder, child molestation, torture, sex slave trade, etc., we gotta get them queers.

Very well said and dead on point,but only to be acknowledged by a hadfull on here just as in the corporate church. A lot of Christians seem to like issues and are more concerned about being right about the issues than they are about loving folks to Christ.

It was already forced upon us as you said and IS forced upon us constantly. The ones who want us to accept the heterosexual fonication and lust don't have to take legal action because we've already rolled over and assimilated it into our lives.

But to then, very hypocritically, go after homosexual anything as though holiness suddenly means something to us while ignoring all of the heterosexual fornication and lust that is accepted by us everyday is downright,wickedly sinful. But something, once again, that an unrepentant church will not repent of because they think the behavior is okay.

Scripture tells us 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,. Matt. 24:12. The principle applies outside the Tribulation period also.

There has been a steady increase in wickedness within the church. But the folks within the church don't want to accept that the increase in wickednes in the world is a direct result of the increase of wickedness within the church.

With over 200,000 to 300,000 Protestant "Christian" churches in the United States and new churches always starting, why is the land still so dirty and corrupt?

The old church turned the world upside down. What is the church today doing?

If we want to see change, deal with the sin WITHIN the church and lovingly point the ones outside the church to Christ.

But there appears to be too much unrepentant wickedness within the church to recognize the need love people rather than convince them you're right about an issue.

InTheLight
01-08-2014, 01:06 PM
But there appears to be too much unrepentant wickedness within the church to recognize the need love people rather than convince them you're right about an issue.

Well, then, you go right ahead and keep pounding away at convincing us you're right about the issue of heterosexual fornication getting short shrift compared to homosexuality.

webdog
01-08-2014, 01:09 PM
This is the absurdness of it right here. The fight was waged. We lost. It happened during the "sexual revolution." It was already forced on us. Ever watch TV? Surf the internet? Read a magazine? Sweet francis man, you cannot watch a "G" rated family show on a kids channel with some bra/underwear commercial with mostly nude people on it. It's forced on us constantly. To say otherwise is lying.

The simple truth is, and this is proven every time there is an argument about homosexuality, even with Phil Robertson and that who stupid thing, it came down to two men kissing and having, well, guess I would get banned if I said it. So, two men doing the "hokey pokey." It makes people feel icky and men feel threatened. If it was purely lesbianism, especially lipstick lesbians, the fight would have been over years ago.

Simple truth, no one is going to hell for being gay. They are going to hell for a lack of a personal savior. Someone they tend to not stick around to hear about because "Christians" spend an inordinate amount of time trying to convince everyone that this one sin is special. It's the end all be all unforgivable sin that is going to destroy the world. Forget the rape, the murder, child molestation, torture, sex slave trade, etc., we gotta get them queers.

Apples and oranges. Nobody was seeking special privileges and rights during the sexual revolution, nor were they trying to get you to join in their sin.

Zaac
01-08-2014, 01:13 PM
Apples and oranges. Nobody was seeking special privileges and rights during the sexual revolution,

You're right. They just took the special privileges and rights because the church wasn't challenging them. Now heterosexual fornication and lust is in darn near everything.

nor were they trying to get you to join in their sin.

They didn't have to try to get you to join. We rolled over and accepted it. They put it forth and we assimilated it. No need to try when folks willingly just do.

Revmitchell
01-08-2014, 01:23 PM
Si because "Christians" spend an inordinate amount of time trying to convince everyone that this one sin is special. It's the end all be all unforgivable sin that is going to destroy the world. Forget the rape, the murder, child molestation, torture, sex slave trade, etc., we gotta get them queers.

This is just false, sophomoric, and absurd. You have to intentionally spend reality in order to hold such conclusions.

Jon-Marc
01-08-2014, 01:36 PM
What offends me the most about TV is the vile language. That's why I like the old black and white shows and movies. In the 1960's, color and profanity were both added to TV shows. I don't know how many times I've started watching a movie and would got to something else when someone used the GD phrase; that's getting more and more common on the TV--including the "f" word.

I'm thinking that when my 2 year agreement with DirecTV runs out this year, I might get rid of my TV. The problem is, though, that I won't have any idea what to do with my time. I'm retired and striving to get by on a very limited income, with no car to go anywhere--even if I liked driving or traveling. TV, when I can find something fit to watch, fills in my time. I only watch TV in the evening. During the day time I play a lot of solitaire on the computer, read what little news there is that interests me, and I spend several designing and drawing house floor plans, which I will never be able to financially afford to have built; it's just a way to kill time, and I'm no good at it anyway.

Some people retire and travel and do other things to keep busy, but I have no money for travel or anything that takes money. I also suffer from severe arthritic pain that prevents me from doing much of anything other than watch TV or play on the computer.

Zaac
01-08-2014, 01:58 PM
This is just false, sophomoric, and absurd. You have to intentionally spend reality in order to hold such conclusions.

You have to intentionally spin reality to deny that this is the impression that the church has left people with.

Revmitchell
01-08-2014, 02:09 PM
You have to intentionally spin reality to deny that this is the impression that the church has left people with.

Let me help you out here this one time. Saying the opposite of everyone else is not an argument.

Zaac
01-08-2014, 02:13 PM
Let me help you out here this one time. Saying the opposite of everyone else is not an argument.

And thus essentially your retort is no "argument" for what I just said.

InTheLight
01-08-2014, 02:27 PM
"Christians" spend an inordinate amount of time trying to convince everyone that this one sin is special. It's the end all be all unforgivable sin that is going to destroy the world. Forget the rape, the murder, child molestation, torture, sex slave trade, etc., we gotta get them queers.

There are 262 active members on BB. Surely you can find ONE that believes homosexuality is worse than murder, rape, torture, etc. Go on, find one.

Zaac
01-08-2014, 02:49 PM
There are 262 active members on BB. Surely you can find ONE that believes homosexuality is worse than murder, rape, torture, etc. Go on, find one.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2070539&postcount=87

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2070523&postcount=82

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2070521&postcount=81

This is where the rubber meets the road ... not only is a homosexual committing a sin, they are committing an UNNATURAL sin, and while God hates or abhors sexual sin committed between men and women outside of or when breaking the marriage vows, the word says that same-gender sex is an ABMONATION to Him.

This is what separates these two sins apart. We can't even consider including heterosexual sexual sins in the same category as homosexual sexual sins. And yes I know that a sin is a sin! Still, we need to be discussing these sins in different realms. One is hated and still leads to judgement, but that which is unnatural is not even in the same classification, because it is, unnatural.

Will the homosexual go to a different hell for not coming to God and dying in their sin? NO ... but something like the giving out of jewels for our crowns, I believe God will direct his judgement towards those who have sinned, and those who have committed an abomination to his created desires. In the end, they will all go to hell! Nevertheless, in their time of judgement, their form of sin will be more seriously addressed.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2070402&postcount=78

InTheLight
01-08-2014, 03:38 PM
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2070539&postcount=87

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2070523&postcount=82

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2070521&postcount=81



http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2070402&postcount=78

Fail. Those posts claim that homosexual sin is worse than any other sexual sin. I asked for examples where it was worse than murder, rape, and torture.

(BTW, I don't see any distinction between hetero sin and homosex sin, so we agree on that.)

thisnumbersdisconnected
01-08-2014, 04:53 PM
I will endorse this award by providing the proof of the theory behind it:

[Please keep images within a reasonable size ] <-- (note left by DHK ... Sorry, DHK)OK, so here's another version of what I posted. It's applicable to this thread.

http://theruggedindividualist.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/image001.jpg?w=640

The tribal wisdom of the Plains Indians, passed on from generation to generation, says that:

“When you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.”

However, in government, more advanced strategies are often employed, such as:


Buying a stronger whip.
Changing riders.
Threatening the horse with termination.
Appointing a committee to study the horse.
Arranging to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride dead horses.
Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.
Reclassifying the dead horse as living-impaired.
Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.
Harnessing several dead horses together to increase speed.
Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse’s performance.
Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse’s performance.
Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses.
Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses.
Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position.

Yeshua1
01-08-2014, 04:57 PM
This is the absurdness of it right here. The fight was waged. We lost. It happened during the "sexual revolution." It was already forced on us. Ever watch TV? Surf the internet? Read a magazine? Sweet francis man, you cannot watch a "G" rated family show on a kids channel with some bra/underwear commercial with mostly nude people on it. It's forced on us constantly. To say otherwise is lying.

The simple truth is, and this is proven every time there is an argument about homosexuality, even with Phil Robertson and that who stupid thing, it came down to two men kissing and having, well, guess I would get banned if I said it. So, two men doing the "hokey pokey." It makes people feel icky and men feel threatened. If it was purely lesbianism, especially lipstick lesbians, the fight would have been over years ago.

Simple truth, no one is going to hell for being gay. They are going to hell for a lack of a personal savior. Someone they tend to not stick around to hear about because "Christians" spend an inordinate amount of time trying to convince everyone that this one sin is special. It's the end all be all unforgivable sin that is going to destroy the world. Forget the rape, the murder, child molestation, torture, sex slave trade, etc., we gotta get them queers.

being Homosexual/lesbian does not cause any to go to hell, for that is due to ALL of us having been sinners, ALL fallen short of the glory of God, But we MUST NOT have a false Gospel offerred to them stating that salvation means 'accept jesus in your heart", and rhat he accepts you just as you are, so keep on living unrepentant homosexual lifestyles, as that will make them worse then before know of Jesus, as their behaviour and practices will crucify the Son of god, and render unclean his blood shed to atone for that sin!

Yeshua1
01-08-2014, 05:15 PM
Fail. Those posts claim that homosexual sin is worse than any other sexual sin. I asked for examples where it was worse than murder, rape, and torture.

(BTW, I don't see any distinction between hetero sin and homosex sin, so we agree on that.)

Apostle paul seemed to see there being a difference between the "sexual sin degree of wrongness" though!
Romans 1:26-27 NASB
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is [r]unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing [s]indecent acts and receiving in [t]their own persons the due penalty of their error.

ShagNappy
01-09-2014, 09:42 PM
being Homosexual/lesbian does not cause any to go to hell, for that is due to ALL of us having been sinners, ALL fallen short of the glory of God, But we MUST NOT have a false Gospel offerred to them stating that salvation means 'accept jesus in your heart", and rhat he accepts you just as you are, so keep on living unrepentant homosexual lifestyles, as that will make them worse then before know of Jesus, as their behaviour and practices will crucify the Son of god, and render unclean his blood shed to atone for that sin!

I agree. Never said otherwise. But the loudest voices do tell the world that homosexuals are going to hell because they are homosexual. Then they act shocked and shaken that homosexuals don't respond to out reach. Lets shout constantly about God's love, and gently teach them about their sin and lost condition when we get them in the door and let them know it's because we love them and want them in Heaven and not hell. Lets stop throwing stones at them.

Like my pastor said this past Sunday, "Quit acting like you are special. I saw your Thanksgiving pictures. You're all sinners just like everyone else."

ShagNappy
01-09-2014, 09:49 PM
Apples and oranges. Nobody was seeking special privileges and rights during the sexual revolution, nor were they trying to get you to join in their sin.

Sorry friend, but that's just denial. The push for accepting pornography, the lawsuits against Larry Flint, Hugh Heffner, etc., pushing to accept swinging as a valid lifestyle. The lawsuits to weaken the obscenity laws controlling TV and radio and weaken the FCC. The 70's and early 80's were a sex lawsuit field day.

It still goes on today. They have been trying for years now to create a .xxx domain to put all "obscene" adult material on so people can more easily block porn. They have been sued 12 ways to Sunday to stop it. Their battle cry was, "it's parents responsibility to stop their kids watching porn, not ours." The reaction to Janet Jackson and her "wardrobe malfunction."

Revmitchell
01-09-2014, 11:07 PM
Sorry friend, but that's just denial.

Naa its not denial. The homosexual agenda is far far different. They are using the force of the government to try to push pen acceptance on everyone. They compare themselves to the civil rights movement. They are assaulting our children in the public school system with the homosexual agenda. Nothing else comes close.

KJVRICH
01-10-2014, 07:48 AM
Naa its not denial. The homosexual agenda is far far different. They are using the force of the government to try to push pen acceptance on everyone. They compare themselves to the civil rights movement. They are assaulting our children in the public school system with the homosexual agenda. Nothing else comes close.

this is very very true! there is such a double standard in our local public high school it is sickening, my son has stories every week about students getting suspended, or having to change their shirt because of any conservative/christian/2nd amendment right type affilation or representation.
If however you want to wear obama/gay pride/ "disney comming out gay day"
shirt it is fine to do so. In our school it is also ok if a male student wants to cross dress, the "left-wing" agenda is alive and well in this school!

Zaac
01-10-2014, 10:33 AM
Naa its not denial. The homosexual agenda is far far different. They are using the force of the government to try to push pen acceptance on everyone.

Naa its not denial. The homosexual agenda is far far different. They are using the force of the government to try to push pen acceptance on everyone.

As ShagNappy mentioned, they did and are doing the same thing with heterosexual fornication and lust. One would have to be completely in denial to not notice how many times folks have gone to court to overturn obscenity laws dealing with heterosexual fornication and lusts.


Grove Press vs United States Post Office, 1959.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/opinion/21kaplan.html?pagewanted=all



adults can't be limited to material fit for children

Butler v. State of Michigan
352 U.S. 380 (1957)

They compare themselves to the civil rights movement. They are assaulting our children in the public school system with the homosexual agenda. Nothing else comes close.



national community standards

Jacobellis v. Ohio
378 US 184 (1964)

In Jacobellis, Justice Brennan elaborated on the Roth standard by clarifying that the "community standards" applicable to an obscenity determination were to be national, not local standards. Nico Jacobellis managed a movie theater in Cleveland Heights, Ohio, that had shown a French film called "The Lovers," which contained one explicit three minute sex scene. Though the film had played in a number of other cities without incident, Jacobellis was arrested and convicted of violating the Ohio obscenity statute.

Writing for the plurality, Brennan struck down the conviction and ruled that an obscenity determination should be made according to national community standards, rather than the standards of the local community from which a case arose:

We do not see how any "local" definition of the "community" could properly be employed in delineating the area of expression that is protected by the Federal Constitution. ... The Court has explicitly refused to tolerate a result whereby "the constitutional limits of free expression in the Nation would vary with state lines"; we see even less justification for allowing such limits to vary with town or county lines. ... [T]he constitutional status of an allegedly obscene work must be determined on the basis of a national standard. It is, after all, a national Constitution we are expounding. "
He concluded that "The Lovers" was not obscene because it had been "favorably reviewed in a number of national publications, although disparaged in others, and was rated by at least two critics of national stature among the best films of the year in which it was produced," and been shown in over 100 cities nationwide.



zoning for adult businesses

Renton v. Playtime Theatres
475 U.S. 41 (1986)

In Renton, the Court solidified its position that although municipalities are barred by the First Amendment from banning adult theaters altogether, they may use zoning restrictions to restrict them to remote areas. Justice William Rehnquist delivered the opinion of the Court, which upheld a regulation of the city of Renton, Wash., prohibiting adult theaters from locating within 1,000 feet of any residential zone, single- or multiple-family dwelling, church, park, or school. Such regulation is justified, ruled Rehnquist, because it is not primarily designed to prohibit the free expression of the content of the adult films, but on reducing the "secondary effects" of the adult theaters on the surrounding communities, such as increased crime.



x-rated cable television

Denver Telecommunications v. FCC
518 U.S. 727 (1996)

In Denver Telecommunications the Court upheld one provision and overturned another in a 1992 federal law designed to protect children from exposure to "patently offensive sex-related material" on certain cable television channels. It struck down a provision permitting cable operators to ban indecent programming from public-access cable channels, such as those made available to community groups, but upheld a provision permitting operators to ban indecent programs from channels leased to commercial programmers. It also struck down a provision requiring cable operators who chose to allow indecent material to be broadcast on leased channels to segregate that material to a single channel, and to block that channel unless the cable subscriber requested to have it unblocked.




internet porn

Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union
521 U.S. 844 (1997)

In the first case to address the regulation of sexually explicit material on the Internet, the Court struck down two provisions of the 1996 Communications Decency Act (CDA) which attempted to protect minors from access to "patently offensive" or "indecent" Internet material. The ACLU, leading a coalition of organizations, challenged two provisions of the CDA that made it a crime to knowingly transmit "indecent" messages over the Internet to anyone under 18 or to knowingly send or display to a person under 18 a message that "in context" depicts or describes "sexual or excretory activities or organs" in terms "patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards."

The U.S. District ruled that those provisions were unconstitutional:

The Internet may fairly be regarded as a never-ending worldwide conversation. The Government may not, through the CDA, interrupt that conversation. As the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed, the Internet deserves the highest protection from governmental intrusion.
Justice Paul Stevens, writing for the Court, declared that "notwithstanding the legitimacy and importance of the congressional goal of protecting children from harmful materials, we agree with the three-judge District Court that the statute abridges the 'freedom of speech' protected by the First Amendment."



The United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit this week found two Oregon statutes ostensibly aimed at preventing the sexual abuse of children to be unconstitutional and in violation of the First Amendment. The court found that a “furnishing” statute (Oregon Revised Statutes § 167.054, or “section 054”), which made it a crime to provide children under the age of 13 with "sexually explicit" material, and a “luring” statute (§ 167.057), which criminalized providing minors under the age of 18 with "visual, verbal, or narrative descriptions of sexual conduct," to be overly broad and potentially in violation of free speech protection



Adult entertainment lawyer Cary S. Wiggins has the boyish looks, good manners and perfectly pressed shirt of someone who was raised right.
Last month Wiggins, 34, succeeded in overturning Georgia's obscenity law, which includes a ban on so-called sex toys.


Read more: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=900005548322&Adult_Entertainment_Lawyer_Prevails_at_11th_Circui t_in_Battle_Over_Obscenity_Law#ixzz2q0f7edYQ



They compare themselves to the civil rights movement. They are assaulting our children in the public school system with the homosexual agenda. Nothing else comes close.

The heterosexual fornication and lust movement assaulted your kids in public schools a long time ago and far exceeds the homosexual agenda. My goodness. They are teaching sex ed in kindergarten now.

Zaac
01-10-2014, 10:36 AM
this is very very true! there is such a double standard in our local public high school it is sickening, my son has stories every week about students getting suspended, or having to change their shirt because of any conservative/christian/2nd amendment right type affilation or representation.
If however you want to wear obama/gay pride/ "disney comming out gay day"
shirt it is fine to do so. In our school it is also ok if a male student wants to cross dress, the "left-wing" agenda is alive and well in this school!

They are just following the pattern previuosly set by all things heterosexually fornicative and lustful.

Yeshua1
01-10-2014, 12:04 PM
They are just following the pattern previuosly set by all things heterosexually fornicative and lustful.

can you name ANY Chrsitian group is that is promoting rape/murder/kid porn etcare alla cceptable behaviour and lifestyle choices for progfessing christians, as gay chrsitian activists do their agenda in the church?

Yeshua1
01-10-2014, 12:06 PM
I agree. Never said otherwise. But the loudest voices do tell the world that homosexuals are going to hell because they are homosexual. Then they act shocked and shaken that homosexuals don't respond to out reach. Lets shout constantly about God's love, and gently teach them about their sin and lost condition when we get them in the door and let them know it's because we love them and want them in Heaven and not hell. Lets stop throwing stones at them.

Like my pastor said this past Sunday, "Quit acting like you are special. I saw your Thanksgiving pictures. You're all sinners just like everyone else."

yes, but we do NOT show them the love of jesus by saying that 'since you came to jesus", its till ok to stay in that alternate lifestyle, as God accepts you now in staying there...

that would be practicing hatred towards them, for that would mean some never got really saved, and others will be judged and displined by God uneccessarily!

jesus demands us to come to him on his terms, which means after he saves us, tio be willing to forsake known sin areas, and at least be repentent and confessing them as sins, which many homosexuals refuse to do!

Zaac
01-10-2014, 12:32 PM
can you name ANY Chrsitian group is that is promoting rape/murder/kid porn etcare alla cceptable behaviour and lifestyle choices for progfessing christians, as gay chrsitian activists do their agenda in the church?

Pick one from the many Christian groups whose members are watching a lot of the filth on tv and in movies.

Like Laura Spencer's rape on General Hospital. Krystle Carrington's rape on Dynasty. Liz Spencer's rape on General Hospital. Kelly Taylor's rape on Beverly Hills 90210. Naomi Clark's rape on 90210. Joan Holloway's rape on Mad Men. Tara Thorton's rape on True Blood. Gemma Morrow's rape on Sons of Anarchy. Gillian Darmody's rape on Boardwalk Empire. Buffy Summers' almost-rape on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Madison Montgomery's rape on American Horror Story: Coven.
And Mellie Grant's rape on Scandal.

The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. Pulp Fiction.
Grey's Anatomy. Desperate Housewives. The Big BAng Theory, NCIS, Revenge

Find me one of these Christian groups with no members who have given their approval for it by watching it.

The heterosexual fornication and lust has been pushed for decades and still overwhelmingly outdoes homosexual anything. And we have for decades been giving our approval by watching it.

Zaac
01-10-2014, 12:40 PM
yes, but we do NOT show them the love of jesus by saying that 'since you came to jesus", its till ok to stay in that alternate lifestyle, as God accepts you now in staying there...

Who said that? I ask again, are you doing this with the continuous gluttons and the women who continue to dress immodestly?

What's so special about this sin with Christians?

that would be practicing hatred towards them, for that would mean some never got really saved, and others will be judged and displined by God uneccessarily!

In proclaiming that their sin is the worst of the worst, you've already unrighteously judged them unnecessarily.

jesus demands us to come to him on his terms, which means after he saves us, tio be willing to forsake known sin areas, and at least be repentent and confessing them as sins, which many homosexuals refuse to do!

I go right back to the gluttons and the immodest dressers. How about the folks who still get a little too tipsy?

Why doesn't the church go after these people the same way? Why aren't these folks labeled the worst of the worst? They haven't changed their behaviors and often times think there's nothing wrong with, i.e. how they are dressed. Why isn't the church treating people the same?

nodak
01-10-2014, 03:19 PM
Zaac, I don't know where you live but I can tell you that where I live, gluttony, continued immodesty, and a whole host of other sins ARE called out on a regular basis by the churches.

It simply isn't true that only homosexuals are singled out as the worst of the worst.

But they sure are the most persistent in wanting their sin blessed by the church.

InTheLight
01-10-2014, 03:36 PM
Zaac, I don't know where you live but I can tell you that where I live, gluttony, continued immodesty, and a whole host of other sins ARE called out on a regular basis by the churches.

It simply isn't true that only homosexuals are singled out as the worst of the worst.

But they sure are the most persistent in wanting their sin blessed by the church.

:applause::applause::applause::applause:

ShagNappy
01-10-2014, 03:38 PM
yes, but we do NOT show them the love of jesus by saying that 'since you came to jesus", its till ok to stay in that alternate lifestyle, as God accepts you now in staying there...

I never said that either. My point is that this one sin is no different than any other. Yet you don't hear about groups, sermons, laws, etc., demanding the removal of 2 pieces of pie, banning of yoga pants, criminalizing swinging and/or adultery, etc.

But nothing will ever change the truth that we will never get them in the door if we continue to single them out like we do.

ShagNappy
01-10-2014, 03:40 PM
Zaac, I don't know where you live but I can tell you that where I live, gluttony, continued immodesty, and a whole host of other sins ARE called out on a regular basis by the churches.

It simply isn't true that only homosexuals are singled out as the worst of the worst.

But they sure are the most persistent in wanting their sin blessed by the church.

Ever spend a significant amount of time in the deep south? It's a different world than someplace like Colorado. You preach against homosexuality you are preaching the word... you preach about gluttony, lust, etc., then you are meddling and you need to just go on.

Zaac
01-10-2014, 04:14 PM
Zaac, I don't know where you live but I can tell you that where I live, gluttony, continued immodesty, and a whole host of other sins ARE called out on a regular basis by the churches.

It simply isn't true that only homosexuals are singled out as the worst of the worst.

How many of the sins within the church are being treated as the worst of the worst? How many other sins do you hear the church calling an abomination? How many gluttons and immodest dressers have you heard told about their sin something akin tono person can claim to have been saved by jesus, and still commit continuelly/habitual homosexual behaviours, without any remorse or seeing need to change and come out from it?

But they sure are the most persistent in wanting their sin blessed by the church.

I'm not sure what churches yall are attending. But I have yet to see or hear of a gay person walking into an SBChurch and demanding that what they are doing be blessed by the church.

Please do share if you know of such a church.

Zaac
01-10-2014, 04:17 PM
Ever spend a significant amount of time in the deep south? It's a different world than someplace like Colorado. You preach against homosexuality you are preaching the word... you preach about gluttony, lust, etc., then you are meddling and you need to just go on.

Exactly. It's like saying something negative about President Obama and everybody applauding and then hearing crickets when you tell them that Scripture calls for us to honor those whom God has placed in authority over us.

We'll acknowledge everybody's sin but our own. You start pointing the finger at us and you've taken to meddling.

Palatka51
01-10-2014, 04:31 PM
He who is without sin, cast the first tv.............

Yeshua1
01-11-2014, 10:18 AM
He who is without sin, cast the first tv.............

if a person claimes jesus saved the, and yet they have no remorse/conviction, no repentence and foraking of homosexuality, its 'business" as usual, wil, that type of 'salvation" be real one?

Yeshua1
01-11-2014, 10:29 AM
Exactly. It's like saying something negative about President Obama and everybody applauding and then hearing crickets when you tell them that Scripture calls for us to honor those whom God has placed in authority over us.

We'll acknowledge everybody's sin but our own. You start pointing the finger at us and you've taken to meddling.

Will you admi tthat homosexuality is ONLY sin practice/behaviour that as its followers wanting to get it acceptable in christianity now? NO muderers/raptist/childmolesters groups in churches advocating that is acceptable living!

And will you adnit that once saved, Jesus demands them to repent and forsake that sin practice and behaviour?

he demands me to forake and repent of telling lies, of lusting, so why woudl he not demand them to stop their sinful living?

Zaac
01-11-2014, 11:17 AM
Will you admi tthat homosexuality is ONLY sin practice/behaviour that as its followers wanting to get it acceptable in christianity now? NO muderers/raptist/childmolesters groups in churches advocating that is acceptable living!

Nope. Won't admit any such thing because there are plenty of gluttons and greedy folks and immodest dressers, and idolators in the church who want their stuff acceptable too.

And will you adnit that once saved, Jesus demands them to repent and forsake that sin practice and behaviour?

Will you admit that He expects the same thing of gluttons, immodest dressers, pill poppers, etc too? Will you admit that He expects the same thing of folks who just couldn't seem to love anyone but themselves and those like them?

Will you admit that He expects he same thingof folks who disrespect the authority He's placed over them.

I visit a lot of churches. Some majority Black, some majority White. But the majority white churches never seem to have a problem disrespecting President Obama and his administration. The churches seem to be fine with accepting this sin.

So again, unless you're going to rant and rave about all the other sin too that you seem to conveniently want to ignore because it gets ignored as sin by the church and is accepted because so many in the church are doing it, then just HUSH.

he demands me to forake and repent of telling lies, of lusting, so why woudl he not demand them to stop their sinful living?

Who said otherwise? The question remains why you and so many others in the church make so much noise about the homosexuals sin but gloss over and ignore all the other sin within the church that has been "accepted"?

I mean for goodness sake. The evangelical church threw its support behind a man for PResident who is 100% against Jesus Christ and there has yet to be any public declaration of repentance by any of you who supported that anti-Christ. Believe me, it was no display of a love for Christ.

And as in that situation, so many in the church, like you, continue to rant about homosexual sin while ignoring the sin of the church.

Deal with the sin within the church if you want folks outside the church to listen.

Or hypocritically continue to ignore your own sin while pointing theirs out and see just how many of them listen to you.

It'slike your heads are collectively made of rock. You're so set on winning an argument over an issue that you continue to show nothing of love in your turning folks away from Christ.

It's despicable yet you and others insist on screaming you're going to hell and you're an abomination and your sexual sin is worse than all other sexual sins.

It's pure wickedness for which the church will give an account.

Zaac
01-11-2014, 11:25 AM
if a person claimes jesus saved the, and yet they have no remorse/conviction, no repentence and foraking of homosexuality, its 'business" as usual, wil, that type of 'salvation" be real one?

Have you said that to all the fat, overweight folks in the church who constantly overindulge? I don't see too many of them seeming to show any remorse as they gorge on more and more food every week. They're fat and still overeating and getting fatter. Is their "salvation" the real one?

How about the girls wearing the tight fitting blouses and the little bitty shorts? What about the ones wearing the skin tight skinny jeans that their parents buy for them? What about the ones in the too short skirts? What about the ones with half their tops hanging out? The churches seem to ignore all of them. Is their "salvation" the real one?

Or is it only expected that the homosexual has to change their behavior to show an authentic salvation experience but no one else does?

This is why the church continues to not be able to reach people who aren't just like us and they are going to hell by the millions.

We keep trying to operate from this standpoint of hypocrisy and it seems to be evident to everyone but us.

Yeshua1
01-11-2014, 12:00 PM
Have you said that to all the fat, overweight folks in the church who constantly overindulge? I don't see too many of them seeming to show any remorse as they gorge on more and more food every week. They're fat and still overeating and getting fatter. Is their "salvation" the real one?

How about the girls wearing the tight fitting blouses and the little bitty shorts? What about the ones wearing the skin tight skinny jeans that their parents buy for them? What about the ones in the too short skirts? What about the ones with half their tops hanging out? The churches seem to ignore all of them. Is their "salvation" the real one?

Or is it only expected that the homosexual has to change their behavior to show an authentic salvation experience but no one else does?

This is why the church continues to not be able to reach people who aren't just like us and they are going to hell by the millions.

We keep trying to operate from this standpoint of hypocrisy and it seems to be evident to everyone but us.

well you stay on the question?

Does God require and expect homosexuals/lesbians who prodess salvation to repent and forake that life style or not?

Zaac
01-11-2014, 12:33 PM
well you stay on the question?

How about you stay on question?

Does God require and expect homosexuals/lesbians who prodess salvation to repent and forake that life style or not?

Let me repeat for you:

Will you admit that He expects the same thing of gluttons, immodest dressers, pill poppers, etc too? Will you admit that He expects the same thing of folks who just couldn't seem to love anyone but themselves and those like them?

Will you admit that He expects he same thingof folks who disrespect the authority He's placed over them.

I visit a lot of churches. Some majority Black, some majority White. But the majority white churches never seem to have a problem disrespecting President Obama and his administration. The churches seem to be fine with accepting this sin.

So again, unless you're going to rant and rave about all the other sin too that you seem to conveniently want to ignore because it gets ignored as sin by the church and is accepted because so many in the church are doing it, then just HUSH.

The question remains why you and so many others in the church make so much noise about the homosexuals sin but gloss over and ignore all the other sin within the church that has been "accepted"?

I mean for goodness sake. The evangelical church threw its support behind a man for PResident who is 100% against Jesus Christ and there has yet to be any public declaration of repentance by any of you who supported that anti-Christ. Believe me, it was no display of a love for Christ.

And as in that situation, so many in the church, like you, continue to rant about homosexual sin while ignoring the sin of the church.

Deal with the sin within the church if you want folks outside the church to listen.

Or hypocritically continue to ignore your own sin while pointing theirs out and see just how many of them listen to you.

It'slike your heads are collectively made of rock. You're so set on winning an argument over an issue that you continue to show nothing of love in your turning folks away from Christ.

It's despicable yet you and others insist on screaming you're going to hell and you're an abomination and your sexual sin is worse than all other sexual sins.

It's pure wickedness for which the church will give an account.

Yeshua1
01-11-2014, 01:00 PM
Christians do not direspect president, just rightfully point out that he follows most ungodly agenda, anti christian of any recent president!

Zaac
01-11-2014, 02:55 PM
Christians do not direspect president, just rightfully point out that he follows most ungodly agenda, anti christian of any recent president!

Yep. That's why the church can't witness anybody. We're never willing to admit our sin but always pointing theirs out

InTheLight
01-11-2014, 03:08 PM
We're never willing to admit our sin but always pointing theirs out

My irony meter broke again.

Zaac
01-11-2014, 06:55 PM
My irony meter broke again.

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Here's a piece to help.:thumbsup:

saturneptune
01-12-2014, 03:35 PM
Yep. That's why the church can't witness anybody. We're never willing to admit our sin but always pointing theirs out

Just talked about this in Sunday School this morning in a broad sense. First, you cannot get anyone to show up for outreach to tell others about Jesus. Secondly, after one does tell others about Jesus, how can one go around condemning those who drink, gamble, and dance, when the greatest sinner of all is the loud mouth local church gossip constantly talking about it, and the church refuses to address the gossiper.

righteousdude2
01-13-2014, 01:09 AM
My irony meter broke again.

....to put a sock in it? ITL, this guy is getting old faster than we are :laugh:


Us good'll boys need to stop slapping each other on the backs, and ignoring the sins that are right in front of our eyes! What are we failing to see? I am at a loss for words, when it comes to the same old message, post after post! Thanks for trying SN, remember, some people are like an old record, they get stuck in a rut and keep repeating themselves, over, and over again! :thumbs:

Zaac
01-13-2014, 01:25 AM
Just talked about this in Sunday School this morning in a broad sense. First, you cannot get anyone to show up for outreach to tell others about Jesus. Secondly, after one does tell others about Jesus, how can one go around condemning those who drink, gamble, and dance, when the greatest sinner of all is the loud mouth local church gossip constantly talking about it, and the church refuses to address the gossiper.

:applause::applause:

Zaac
01-13-2014, 01:31 AM
Somebody needs to give it a rest running from thread to thread complaining about lil ole me as though I'm a girl who spurned his advances.

Better yet, maybe said person can do one of those famous polls and present it to the mods to get me banned. :eek:

For someone who has me on IGNORE, he certainly does talk about me a lot.

Yeshua1
01-13-2014, 11:12 AM
Yep. That's why the church can't witness anybody. We're never willing to admit our sin but always pointing theirs out

You do realise that we come against His agenda, his pro gay/pro muslim/anti american rhetoric, correct?

That we would be against those policies, reagrdless if president white/black?

Bro. James
01-14-2014, 08:52 AM
There are a number of news commentators who are gay.

HGTV features gay couples looking for houses.

Somebody is supporting these things--the complacent and apathetic.

We are back to the edges of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Now what? Remember Lot's wife.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

questdriven
01-14-2014, 01:25 PM
TV naturally reflects the times and values of a particular time. In this society it's normal--is that a good thing? Of course not.
Because gay marriage is a hot topic in this age, it may seem that they preach against this more than against other sins. This is perception. It may have some truth to it in some churches, but I see it as an over generalization. It's certainly not true in my church, nor in most other churches or ministries I've been to.
In fact I think overall I've heard more about sex out of marriage and teenage sex being wrong than I've heard about gay marriage. Of course part of that may be due to the crowd I hang around--youth and youth ministries.
In a recent online discussion someone got very angry at me, began cussing me out, because I stated that I'm going to wait until I'm married to have sex and explained why when prompted. Why my personal choices were such a big deal to a perfect stranger I don't know. Perhaps they felt like I was condemning them, which wasn't my intention at all. Actually I tried to state my opinion and case as respectfully as possible--I said nothing about them at all.
Despite best intentions someone somewhere is always going to find something to be offended about.

On the other hand, neither do I agree with how some individuals choose to respond to homosexuals. I've personally learned that things are better if I go out of my way to show them the same respect I'd like to be shown.

But yes, there are sins other than homosexuality and abortion. But I'd suggest that if one thinks that's all Christianity ever talks about then they may only be looking at the political front. That and the saying that people are always more likely to remember the "bad" than they are to remember the "good".

Yeshua1
01-14-2014, 02:13 PM
TV naturally reflects the times and values of a particular time. In this society it's normal--is that a good thing? Of course not.
Because gay marriage is a hot topic in this age, it may seem that they preach against this more than against other sins. This is perception. It may have some truth to it in some churches, but I see it as an over generalization. It's certainly not true in my church, nor in most other churches or ministries I've been to.
In fact I think overall I've heard more about sex out of marriage and teenage sex being wrong than I've heard about gay marriage. Of course part of that may be due to the crowd I hang around--youth and youth ministries.
In a recent online discussion someone got very angry at me, began cussing me out, because I stated that I'm going to wait until I'm married to have sex and explained why when prompted. Why my personal choices were such a big deal to a perfect stranger I don't know. Perhaps they felt like I was condemning them, which wasn't my intention at all. Actually I tried to state my opinion and case as respectfully as possible--I said nothing about them at all.
Despite best intentions someone somewhere is always going to find something to be offended about.

On the other hand, neither do I agree with how some individuals choose to respond to homosexuals. I've personally learned that things are better if I go out of my way to show them the same respect I'd like to be shown.

But yes, there are sins other than homosexuality and abortion. But I'd suggest that if one thinks that's all Christianity ever talks about then they may only be looking at the political front. That and the saying that people are always more likely to remember the "bad" than they are to remember the "good".

Why is Homosexuality such a :big deal/"

ONLY sin that is trying to get supported to be a viable alternate lifestyle within the Church, as many see no problem with one claiming jesus and still staying in it!

It has its own lobby, agenda throughout culture, big business, pretty much trying to have it seen as normal and even healthy!

Christins MUST stand against this, for as history shows us, once that is accepted as normal, that society and church goes by by!

questdriven
01-14-2014, 02:17 PM
Why is Homosexuality such a :big deal/"

ONLY sin that is trying to get supported to be a viable alternate lifestyle within the Church, as many see no problem with one claiming jesus and still staying in it!

It has its own lobby, agenda throughout culture, big business, pretty much trying to have it seen as normal and even healthy!

Christins MUST stand against this, for as history shows us, once that is accepted as normal, that society and church goes by by!

I think you have me pegged wrong. I'm not in support of homosexuality, especially not within the church.

JohnDeereFan
01-15-2014, 12:36 PM
Many, many commercials and T.V. shows follow this pattern. How can you prevent your kids from being exposed? Get rid of the T.V.'s?

Scriptures says to set no "unclean thing" before your eyes. Do you think Christians should get rid of their televisions?

Couldn't hurt. Maybe we'd be better served by ditching TV and picking up a book once in a while.

JohnDeereFan
01-15-2014, 12:39 PM
In regard to the OP,

Several years ago, when they came out with the cable boxes that allowed you to block channels and individual shows, we blocked the really bad stuff: MTV, SpikeTv, the usual suspects.

One day, a friend suggested a show called Torchwood, since my son likes science fiction. It was the last straw. Gone are the days of Matt Dillon, Roy Rogers, and Joe Friday. This Torchwood guy was a time travelling homosexual who only seemed to exist to have sex with anything that moved.

I've always taught our children to evaluate media choices by asking themselves a series of four questions:

1. Does it pass the Phillipians 4 test?

Is it true? Is it honorable? Is it just? Is it pure? Is it lovely? Is it commendable? Is there any excellence? Is there anything worthy of praise?


2. Does it pass the Galatians 5 test?

Does it exhibit, glorify, or incite the works of the flesh, which are sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, either in thought or in deed?

Or does it exhibit, glorify, or encourage the fruit of the Spirit, which is love, joy, peace, patience,
kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control?


3. Does it pass the 1 Corinthians 8 test?

Even if it's something God grants us the liberty to enjoy or engage in, would our doing it cause a weaker brother or sister in Christ to sin or to stumble in their walk with Christ?


4. Is it an idol to you?

If it's something that failed the three tests above, would you give it up? If so, then what would your attitude be about giving it up? Would you be glad to give it up, knowing it doesn't glorify God, isn't conducive to growth in Christ, and could cause a weaker brother or sister in Christ to sin or stumble in their walk with Christ?

Or would you give it up grudgingly or not give it up at all? If so, then it's an idol.

When my son, who was ten years old at the time, turned to me and said, "Dad, this fails the test", we knew that was the last straw for our family.

We got rid of our TV.

Now, about the only thing we watch is some shows on RFD and the owner of that station has actually done editorials stating that he doesn't care how much money he loses, he will not show anything that is not 100% family friendly and he will not accept any risque advertising (the raunchy "Go Daddy" commercials were big at that time, so I'm assuming that's the kind of thing he was referring to. )

saturneptune
01-15-2014, 02:23 PM
Somebody needs to give it a rest running from thread to thread complaining about lil ole me as though I'm a girl who spurned his advances.

Better yet, maybe said person can do one of those famous polls and present it to the mods to get me banned. :eek:

For someone who has me on IGNORE, he certainly does talk about me a lot.

I do not want you banned. Even after the Romney threads, and this latest one on Paul Washing Machine, your posts have a ring to truth to them.

saturneptune
01-15-2014, 02:26 PM
In regard to the OP,

Several years ago, when they came out with the cable boxes that allowed you to block channels and individual shows, we blocked the really bad stuff: MTV, SpikeTv, the usual suspects.

One day, a friend suggested a show called Torchwood, since my son likes science fiction. It was the last straw. Gone are the days of Matt Dillon, Roy Rogers, and Joe Friday. This Torchwood guy was a time travelling homosexual who only seemed to exist to have sex with anything that moved.

I've always taught our children to evaluate media choices by asking themselves a series of four questions:

1. Does it pass the Phillipians 4 test?

I

Is it true? Is it honorable? Is it just? Is it pure? Is it lovely? Is it commendable? Is there any excellence? Is there anything worthy of praise?


2. Does it pass the Galatians 5 test?

Does it exhibit, glorify, or incite the works of the flesh, which are sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, either in thought or in deed?

Or does it exhibit, glorify, or encourage the fruit of the Spirit, which is love, joy, peace, patience,
kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control?


3. Does it pass the 1 Corinthians 8 test?

Even if it's something God grants us the liberty to enjoy or engage in, would our doing it cause a weaker brother or sister in Christ to sin or to stumble in their walk with Christ?


4. Is it an idol to you?

If it's something that failed the three tests above, would you give it up? If so, then what would your attitude be about giving it up? Would you be glad to give it up, knowing it doesn't glorify God, isn't conducive to growth in Christ, and could cause a weaker brother or sister in Christ to sin or stumble in their walk with Christ?

Or would you give it up grudgingly or not give it up at all? If so, then it's an idol.

When my son, who was ten years old at the time, turned to me and said, "Dad, this fails the test", we knew that was the last straw for our family.

We got rid of our TV.

Now, about the only thing we watch is some shows on RFD and the owner of that station has actually done editorials stating that he doesn't care how much money he loses, he will not show anything that is not 100% family friendly and he will not accept any risque advertising (the raunchy "Go Daddy" commercials were big at that time, so I'm assuming that's the kind of thing he was referring to. )

I do not watch any of the channels you mention, except I do watch Matt Dillon and Joe Friday. Of the little TV watched, it is mostly the history, discovery, learning and SyFy channel.

Given all of that, you do not have the moral authority to pass standards on anyone.

Yeshua1
01-15-2014, 03:49 PM
I do not want you banned. Even after the Romney threads, and this latest one on Paul Washing Machine, your posts have a ring to truth to them.

maybe, but not so much in one particular area/issue!

Inspector Javert
01-16-2014, 04:37 AM
[QUOTE=Zaac;2070830]The ones who want us to accept the heterosexual fonication and lust don't have to take legal action because we've already rolled over and assimilated it into our lives.
Attempts at legal action have been taken years ago.......and they have lost because of deranged perverts on the U.S. Supreme Court.
"I know pornography when I see it." <----remember that one?
......while ignoring all of the heterosexual fornication and lust that is accepted by us everyday is downright,wickedly sinful.
Who is "us"? I know few if any Christians who do, it isn't ignored. You are fighting against phantasms which are rare indeed.
because they think the behavior is okay.
They do not. You are inventing a pandemic which does not exist so that you might offer the cure.

MANY Godly Christians are bothered by, and separate themselves from, and seek to combat ungodliness in film, t.v. etc....MANY of them.
The old church turned the world upside down.
The Old Church was also refusing to allow actors in their assemblies too. ;)
What is the church today doing?
Permitting actors in their assemblies.
rather than convince them you're right about an issue.
Are you trying to convince us you are "right" about an issue?
Looks to me like you are.

Zaac
01-16-2014, 09:33 AM
I do not want you banned. Even after the Romney threads, and this latest one on Paul Washing Machine, your posts have a ring to truth to them.

That wasn't directed towards you SN. :flower:You and I have had our differences in the past, but we've left it in the past. But there's a certain individual on the west coast who wants me banned because he takes himself a tad bit too seriously. But no love lost for him. Anger has a way of making folks lose sight of some things.:1_grouphug:

Zaac
01-16-2014, 09:44 AM
Attempts at legal action have been taken years ago.......and they have lost because of deranged perverts on the U.S. Supreme Court.
"I know pornography when I see it." <----remember that one?

The question was about taking legal action to make it acceptable not to keep it out.

Who is "us"? I know few if any Christians who do, it isn't ignored. You are fighting against phantasms which are rare indeed.

Us is you , me and every other Christian who has assimilated the barrage of normalized heterosexual fornication and lust into our lives. The only way you haven't is for there to be no tv, magazines, newspapers, internet, movies or any media outlets in your life. And as you are posting on the internet, that's obviously not the case.

They do not. You are inventing a pandemic which does not exist so that you might offer the cure.

They do too. It's just on ignore because they've got pet sins to fry.

MANY Godly Christians are bothered by, and separate themselves from, and seek to combat ungodliness in film, t.v. etc....MANY of them.

And many more incorporate it into their lives. It's extremely naive of folks in the church to think that the morality of society is deteriorating because of folks outside the church. It's deteriorating because the salt and light is wallowing in the filth with those outside the church.

The Old Church was also refusing to allow actors in their assemblies too. ;)

Permitting actors in their assemblies.

Are you trying to convince us you are "right" about an issue?

You're talking about an issue. I'm talking about preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ in love and recognizng for the sake of the souls of many that alienating people is NOT the way to point them to Christ. Treating this sin as the worst when we've already done with heterosexual fornication and lust what they are now trying to do with homosexual sin is hypocritical and wars against leading folks to Christ.

The gay agenda is the same as the heterosexual fornication and lust agenda: To make it mainstream and incorporated into our daily lives as though it were as common as breathing.

That's what we've already done with heterosexual fornication and lust.

Zaac
01-16-2014, 09:46 AM
maybe, but not so much in one particular area/issue!

So says Mr. extraBiblical.:rolleyes:

Yeshua1
01-16-2014, 01:48 PM
So says Mr. extraBiblical.:rolleyes:

Does jesus, after saving us, demand us to become confirmed into his image, so would he condone one of his still wilfully engaging on Homosexual activites, with no intention to even try to stop that act?

And if you call me extra biblically, would that make you Mr Unbiblical then?

Rippon
01-17-2014, 09:02 AM
you do not have the moral authority to pass standards on anyone.
In one (11/15/2013) of your "Apology to the Baptist Board" threads you said you would no longer use that sickening phrase. You have relapsed once again.

percho
01-17-2014, 11:36 AM
Lust of the eyes is not a new phenomenon. Adam and Eve contracted a fatal case of lust when they disobeyed God. All of their progeny has it--along with lust of flesh and pride of life. Lust is a major factor of the totality of our depravity. Being born again increases the spiritual warfare. We realize how sinful we really are. But we have The Advocate, Jesus Christ, The Righteous.

Cyberspace skin shows are a modern example of the immorality which has been working in this country since at least WWII, maybe roaring twenties. War has a way of increasing fornication and adultery. There are many more opportunities for sinning. I recall seeing movies like: "Splendor in the Grass" when I was a young teenager. Hugh Hefner got started about this time too. Pornography is not a new issue--it goes to around the time of the ancient Greeks, perhaps further back in time.

The problem with the moral code, or the lack thereof, lies in the fact that sin is allowable if one is over 21. Also, we have redefined what sin might be: abortion is not murder, but freedom of choice; homosexuality is not abomination, but alternate lifestyle.

We are living on the edges of Sodom and Gomorrah. "Remember Lot's wife."

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

Would it be fair to say that not only must the man be born again but that there must also be a change of the whole of creation, that is>

For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. Romans 8:19-21 NKJV