Let God Be True

But a stranger they will by no means follow, but will run away from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers John 10:5 One of my favorites.:wavey:

 

Here's another I like to complement John 10:5 Matthew 24:24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Not gonna happen!:godisgood:

 

Debate but not with a hint of hate.

 

I'm loving the verses guys. My wife and I both come from charismatic backgrounds, so the security of the believer was an issue that I wholeheartedly disagreed with in my young Christian life. When I got tired of trying to be "perfect", I started searching the Scriptures. My security in Christ has brought me into a better and more obedient relationship to Him.

 

Hello MACE16,I have been through the wringer myself...United Pentecostal,Church of Christ,Roman Catholic,whew how did God save me through it all?? I believe Jesus gave this example in the Sheep and the false shepherds. John chapter 9-10 is a great passage and if you have never seen the Gospel of John here is an insert http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIrPq8pG6Sk

 

HP: Care to expound on that? In what ways have you became more obedient? We all need to know everything we can about that subject.

 

HP: "Care to expound on that? In what ways have you became more obedient? We all need to know everything we can about that subject. "If your going to ask to learn great,but if your trying to start a debate.....not wise. Show your intentions up front.

 

HP: Great passages of Scripture. They certainly do not establish OSAS. Which one would you like to show how it establishes OSAS? Then we can discuss your interpretation of it.

 

"They certainly do not establish OSAS" In your mind is does not. But to others its peace and joy. You are just as dogmatic to oppose and say he is a liar by saying it doesn't support OSAS . One guy gave testimony to freedom and you come in with the chains of "did God say?":tonofbricks:

 

Hey, Pilgrim. Well, here is my experience. I was saved at the age of 13 in an Assembly of God church. Now, I was taught that Christ had forgiven my sins, but from that point on, I had to live the life. Part of living the life was not sinning. So, in my 13 year old brain, I thought I had this. First week goes by, I think a few things I should not have, and I say a few things I should not have. At this point, guilt gets to me, as it should. Well, instead of being told about confession and repentance to restore fellowship, I am now told that I have backslidden and need to be restored in the faith.

So, I go find a sinner's prayer and read that, convinced I needed to be saved again. After about a year, this grew quite wearisome. I was saved, then lost, saved, then lost, etc.. There is no feeling, to me, that is worse than laying down at night trying to make sure you have recalled all of your sins in fear that if they are not confessed, I may very well wake up in Hell. In a sense, Christ was not a Savior at that point, He was a cruel taskmaster ready and willing to whack me at any time for messing up. My obedience was given out of fear, much like the obedience a beaten dog gives.

Long story short, by age 17 I met a Baptist youth minister through an athletic league. A mentor relationship grew out of this. I would speak to him about my struggles with this particular subject. Eventually, through my own study, I came to the realization of my security in Christ. How wonderful it is to serve a loving, forgiving Father.

My obedience to Him is now out of love, not out of fear. This changes my outlook on everything. I still maintain a very healthy fear of God, and I think all believers should. But it is a wonderful feeling, to lay my head down at night at realize that I am His and nothing can ever change that.

 

Thank you Mace16 for sharing that.:thumbs:

 

2Cor 1:21,22 "Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.":godisgood:

 

HP: This is a hard testimony to just read once and let go. I cannot help but wonder what sin it was that had such a hold on you that you were not willing to let it go. Nothing short of a guilty conscience would keep one up like that at night. That must have been a miserable time in your life, knowing what to do but unwilling to do it.

Even till the age of 17 you were still struggling with the same sin it would seem from your own testimony. There is something about sin that is true without exception. The longer one persists in a certain sin the more sins that develop in ones life. By seventeen your conscience had to be working overtime considering the knowledge of the truth you once had concerning salvation from sin. Sin simply never stays stagnate. It grows and festers.

Now you finally meet one with a message that you seem to get some relief from. Security in Christ, that’s the ticket. Now I can be secure in spite of the sin is what your testimony ‘appears’ to say to me. I do not see any testimony of deliverance from the problem that had existed for years causing the guilty conscience, just a new cover for an old and still prevalent problem with the guilt from a besetting sin.

Tell me I am wrong. Tell me that your new found friend and his message delivered you from your besetting sin(s) and that now you live free from the sins that pained your conscience, having been delivered from the power of those sins to enslave you. Have you been delivered or have you just found a doctrine that applies suave to the guilt of sin?

 

"HP: This is a hard testimony to just read once and let go":laugh: The temptation was too much 4 U :laugh:

 

HP: My, that’s right out of the old play book. For some strange reason your pity fails to move me. Suppose I would say the same things back to you? What would it prove? How have I shown the strength of what I believe is true? What would I have added to meaningful debate by such remarks? What if I simply listed a litany of Scripture and used your playbook in reverse?

In a debate OR, it does little to no good to simply list a bunch of Scriptures without any interpretation given as to their meanings. Do you think I have not read and studied the passages you mention? I can assure you that there is a great difference among differing schools of thought on these passages. Scripture is of no private interpretation, and to assume it is in a debate is less than meaningful.

Again, save your pity. What some novice debater might attempt to uitilize in a debate with an Atheist is useless here.

Try taking one or two of the best pasages and give us your interpretation of them. Then we can have a meaningful debate. If you are not willing to do this, a debate forum is most likely not the best place for you traverse. :thumbs:

 

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