The mystery of the Jews relationship with God

Everyone has a relationship with God—everyone. Some know Him as Father, others know Him as Judge.

The unbelieving Jew is no different than the unbelieving Gentile, neither the believing Jew than the believing Gentile. No difference, personally, nationally, covenantally (if that's a word), or in any other way.

 

What a crock..........

Note the trips.........

2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the concision:
3 for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh: Phil 3

 

Right on!:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

Aaron, you nailed it! It amazes me how some people think everyone was wrong until the time of John Darby.

 

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

 

The Deliverer came out of Sion 2000 years ago. His Name is Jesus Christ, the Incarnate God.

 

Strange that this passage of Scripture is missing from so many Bibles. Is it a typesetters error or is that old serpent Satan at work?:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Fortunately it is included in the many versions I have purchased!

 

This is not saying all Jews will be saved, we know from scripture that not all Jews are saved.

Matt 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Many of the Jews died in their sins and were lost, Judas Iscariot for example.

But there will be Jews who turn to Christ in the future. These are the true Jews as others have shown in Rom 2:28-29. A Jew is not a true Jew according to the flesh, but those who follow the faith of Abraham and trust in Christ.

I personally believe these Jews who will trust on Christ are foreknown to God. And it is when the last of these come to Christ that he will return (the millennium)

But Paul was never saying that all Jews according to the flesh would be saved as shown in Romans 9.

Rom 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

It is not all the Jews by the flesh who will be saved, it is those Jews that are the children of Abraham by the promise through faith in Christ. All of these Jews who will trust on Christ will be saved.

Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Jer 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

But even before this, the fulness of the Gentiles must be brought in.

 

Paul is either talking about how the church can lose its salvation (those who have been cut off) or he is talking about the nation of Israel and its different economy than the church. Since the church cannot lose its salvation then the passage is clear. Romans 2:28,29 speak to the church and those who are saved not Israel who has been cut off.

 

The economy of the nation Israel was permanently ended with the advent of Jesus Christ. They had fulfilled their part in God's purpose of Salvation.

 

Wasn't it you who suggested that the church began with Israel?

 

Paul placed the Jews in the same category as the gentiles.

Eph. 2:14 "For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one, and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall. (15) by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, establishing peace, (16) and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross,...."

Scripture tells us that both Jew and Gentile are now "one new man" before God. Not only that, it is Jesus Christ's work on the cross that has reconciled both groups to God as one body.

Concerning the passage in Romans, it is clear that Paul is establishing the fact that the people who will be saved are those who are "children of the promise" that comprise both Jews and Gentiles.

When Paul says "all Israel will be saved", he is saying that the Jews were hardened so the gospel would go to the Gentiles (bringing the "children of the promise" that were among the gentiles to salvation), and thus "all Israel will be saved".

The context is clear, those that are children of the promise, made up of both Jews and Gentiles, are considered the "Israel" of God. That is why, once the gentiles are saved, "all Israel will be saved".

peace to youraying:

 

That is exactly what Paul is not saying:


Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.

 

Rom 11:25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I want you to understand this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.