Andre Dawson is the sole 2010 HOF Inductee

David Segui got a HOF vote. That's it. I now call for mandatory drug testing among BBWAA voters

Seriously.


Now, back to the topic at hand. I'm a bit surprised at the vote. In his era, he's 4th in HR, 3rd in RBI (Great numbers) , 6th in H, 9th in R, (also very good) but 19th in SLG, 24th in SBs, 62nd in OPS, 93rd in BA, and 5th most outs. His short playoff career revealed a .186 ba, OBP of .237, and SLG of .237. Yet he hit .300 5 times and and missed a sixth by one point.

Years ago, a friend referred to Dawson as the first of the ESPN candidates, the first guy who really entered into his prime when ESPN was in its heyday. I disagreed, citing others who came along.

I've gone on record and shown the record why I think Blyleven is a HOFer. I won't repeat them here. It's telling who was just short; some who weren't had fairly similar numbers to Andre.

I'm not going to burn Cooperstown down because he got in. He was a great player. One of the all-time greats? Well, you can make an argument that he wasn't, IMHO. But he did have some very good seasons. I just don't see how some get left out and others get in when both have similar numbers. But that's why I'm not a BBWAA voter...I use my head :laugh:

By the way....DAVID SEGUI?

 

Do you know who else got a HOF vote? Pat Hentgen. Good grief.

I don't remember where I came down on the question of should HOF voting be revamped, but, regardless of whether I'm changing my position or not, I think HOF voting should be revamped. I'm sure this isn't the first time that completely undeserving candidates get votes, but it's beyond ridiculous and high time that a change should be made.

 

I've said for years that HOF voting needs a makeover. I don't necessarily endorse the Bill James plan, but parts of it are good.

Some of the biggest crocks are these morons who say they will not vote for someone on the first ballot year of eligbility, but will vote in subsequent years. Yeah, that'll show em.

Mike Dodd of USA Today says he won't vote for Barry Larkin til year three of his candidacy and since he will vote for Barry, he will now have to vote for Alan Trammell. Good Lord. This is how we decide who the all time greats are?

 

I'm curious, CCRob and Andy: do you agree with Dawson's selection?

 

Very funny. Only you probably aren't kidding, and that's the sad part.

Did you know he always wanted to play for the Twins? :laugh:

I know there are worse selections, but no way he's the most qualified HOF candidate out there. No way. As Jimmy Hyams says, what made him a HOFer this year when he wasn't the years prior? Without one more hit, AB, R, RBI, etc., he got more worthy this year than in years past.

Did you like Dodd's admission that Trams will have to gravy train off of Barry? :laugh:

 

It's hilarious how some of the voters aren't letting Alomar in b/c of that spitting incident. I mean, I agree -- it was a pretty stupid thing to do. But it's just funny how the writers are trying to "punish" him. One of the guys was on MLB Network and said he was just not voting for him this year to prove a point, but will vote for him next year. Huh???

 

Exactly. That'll teach him. Please.

With every comment, I'm starting to agree more and more with those who say we should scrap the whole process and the entire HOF and start all over, that it's been tainted beyond repair. Can anyone with a straight face say that they don't have a point?

 

I'm fine with Hawk in there. He was certainly better than Jim Rice.

That guy should have his HOF vote revoked instantly.

Here's how some other idiots voted.

Jay turned in a blank ballot this year and here's his reasoning.

BTW, Mariotti voted for Jim Rice last year. He also voted for Andre Dawson and Bert Blyleven.


Here's Bill Conlin.

Insane.

What do we have to do to not allow these idiots to vote again?

I completely agree.

 

Yeah. Those Expos just couldn't overtake the Mets and Braves (when they were good during this span). And as for the insanity of the writers, it's almost a requisite characteristic. Someone sent me a list of their annual top ten worst comments by HOF voters. Let me see if I can find it. It just boggles the mind how these morons vote.

I still can't understand why the "first ballot" is so sacrosanct. No other sport does this. At the end of the day, your plaque hangs in the same spot. Now that this "first ballot" nonsense is being used to punish (a natural corrolary if it's being used to reward), I fear there may be a backlash.

I disagree. Are they really going to put in two SS in the same class? Maybe one would get in one year and the other the next. I tend to believe Tramm will not get in. Larkin? Who knows. Could go either way. I don't see Morris pegging above 40% . Believe it or not, I wouldn't quibble if all three never made it in. You can make a case that none of them belong. I would argue some marginals are getting much more consideration, but given these artificial minimums that the voters now use, it's kind of a two-edged sword.

 

Raines should be a no brainer.

 

Agreed, Andy.