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The KJV’s respect for God’s Words

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by stilllearning, Jan 28, 2010.

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  1. stilllearning

    stilllearning Active Member

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    One feature of the KJV, is it’s italicized words:
    (When it adds even one word to the Bible, it lets us know about it.)
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    Here is just one good example........
    John 18:4-6
    V.4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?
    V.5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am [he]. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
    V.6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am [he], they went backward, and fell to the ground.

    In the original language of this passage, the Lord’s response to this question was “I AM”, and when the KJV translated this into English, they put “I am he”:
    (But they let us know that they added the word “he”, by italicizing it.)
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    Some might ask, “so what’s the big deal:”
    Well the big deal is, that here Jesus is further establishing His Deity.......
    Exodus 3:13-14
    V.13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, [when] I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What [is] his name? what shall I say unto them?
    V.14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
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    This is just one example of an attitude that we should have about the Bible:
    “Every single word matters!”
     
    #1 stilllearning, Jan 28, 2010
  2. Ed Edwards

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    John 18:4-6 (KJV, biblestudytools.com edition)

    4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth , and said unto them, Whom seek ye ? 5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 6 As soon then as he had said unto them , I am he, they went backward , and fell to the ground.

    http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/

    As can be seen, this KJV does NOT have "[he]" but has "he".

    Which version of the KJV are you using?
     
    #2 Ed Edwards, Jan 28, 2010
  3. stilllearning

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    Not yours.
     
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  4. Mexdeaf

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    Not all print editions of the KJV have the italicized words.

    Not all word additions are italicized.
     
    #4 Mexdeaf, Jan 28, 2010
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    God forbid....
     
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  6. preachinjesus

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    Other translations include footnotes or other clarifying tools.

    The KJV doesn't do this consistently either.
     
    #6 preachinjesus, Jan 28, 2010
  7. sag38

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    If this is an argument to support KJVO or the superiority of the KJV over other versions it is perhaps the weakest that I've ever seen and close to the most ridiculous.
     
    #7 sag38, Jan 29, 2010
  8. Johnv

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    That's not consistent. Some KJV's do this, some don't. Despite that, KJVO advocates often claim other translations "add" to scripture, but then make no mention of the fact that the KJV does this in the same manner, without regard to whether their edition uses italics or not.
     
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  9. RAdam

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    There's no way to translate a bible in another language and make it readable without adding some words and rearranging things.
     
    #9 RAdam, Jan 29, 2010
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    If you want notes, I can whip out my NET Bible. :laugh:
     
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  11. stilllearning

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    Hi sag38

    You said..........
    No, this is clearly not a thread to support the KJVO, because clearly other versions have this feature.

    The point of this post is to support a RESPECT, for the WORDS in the Bible.
    Because clearly the words in the Bible are quickly losing respect.
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    Now for those of you who will want to attack this above statement......
    Of course I know that the words we read in our English Bible’s are not the same words used in the original manuscripts, but they are an accurate translation of those manuscripts.

    This is not a KJVO thread, but a “Love and respect your Bible”, thread.
     
    #11 stilllearning, Jan 29, 2010
  12. Johnv

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    Clearly, your screenname "stilllearning" should be changed to "stillpontificating". Because pretty much what you do in every thread you start.
     
    #12 Johnv, Jan 29, 2010
  13. Rippon

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    How accurate? More accurate than most modern versions? what do you mean by the word accuracy?

    I hope you love and respect a multitude of Bible versions.
     
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    Were the KJV translators reasonably consistent in their application of italics to the text of Scripture?

    According to Scrivener, the answer is : No. He said that "inconsistencies occur in the same expressions in parallel passages, on the same page, and even at times in the same verse."
     
    #14 Rippon, Jan 29, 2010
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    I've found that often the italicized word is a pronoun, article, or preposition that is in the main verb or implied in the Greek/Hebrew text but not explicitly stated.

    This isn't a firm rule though. Of course the KJV isn't consistent in its application of this.

    While clarity is a virtue with translation, I would suggest the degree to which the KJV provided a suitable and widely dispersed translation into the hands of the people is a greater reason for respect. For a time the KJV served as the penultimate expression of the English langauge in written form.
     
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  16. Baptist4life

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    I hope you love and respect the KJV as much as you do a mulitude of other versions.:smilewinkgrin:
     
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  17. Johnv

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    Do you love and respect the Geneva Bible as much as you do the KJV?
     
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  18. Baptist4life

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    I love and respect all TRUE versions of Scripture.
     
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  19. Rippon

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    You'll have to define what you think true versions are. Or, if that's too tough, then just list some false versions.
     
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  20. Johnv

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    Is that a yes, or a no? Do you love and respect the Geneva Bible as much as you do the KJV?
     
    #20 Johnv, Jan 29, 2010
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