Sda -

As it turns out - my answers to the form of "Actual words".

You will need to "read the text and respond substantively" to the points made if you want to understand the answer and possibly even suggest a weakness in it.

Still waiting...

in Christ,

Bob

 

Apparently you have no answer for my post and so this is your way of not-posting.

Very well - to each his own.

But for those objective unbiased readers that may be following the point instead of trying to avoid it --

 

There was a typo in my post - I used 1Cor 4 -- it should have been 1Cor 14 -- it is corrected below.

Our doctrine is that we support the Bible statements on the Gifts of the Spirit - including the gift of prophecy.

We also support the Bible teaching in Eph 4 that these gifts are to continue until the end of time.

Therefore as stated above - we accept the fact Agabus and Anna and Philip's 4 daughters - and as Paul says "EACH ONE" in Corinth had a "revelation" to report as they met week by week, though all of these are examples of non-Bible-writing prophets.

We also argue that any message that a prophet claims as coming from God - must be tested "sola scriptura" to see IF that is a real prophet.

And based on those fundamental beliefs - we accept that Ellen White was also another example of someone having that same non-Bible-writer kind of role in receiving the 1Cor 12 gift.

Thanks for asking to have it said "yet again" Targus.

in Christ,

Bob

 

I like the idea that Targus cannot read this response below.

I am wondering how many others are willing to join Targus in that claim.

Note "the detail" that I am not asking whether you agree with the response - I am asking if you can read and understand it.

It is not required that all sides agree on every issue - but the basic ability to read and understand the response is the first step in actual communication.

Still waiting.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Sounds Biblical to me thus far BR.:thumbsup:

 

HP that is good to see!



I have never argued that non-SDAs should accept Ellen White as a prophet. By contrast I keep arguing that the Bible test is the first test of a prophet - which means "by definition" that anyone holding to Non-SDA doctrinal POV regarding scripture would most certainly have to see Ellen White as having "at least one message" claimed to be from God - that did not match their view of the Bible.

My argument instead - has been to show why we accept the 1Cor 12 gift of prophecy and why Adventist also accept Ellen White as being an example of someone who had that gift.

in Christ,

Bob

 

As I have stated half a dozen times - our doctrine is that the 1Cor 12 list of spiritual gifts is "VALID" and that includes the gift of prophecy.

our doctrine is that one of the Bible TESTS of a prophet is the Is 8:19-20 test that their message that is claimed to be from God - MUST be tested "sola scriptura".

There are a large number of SDAs that accept that doctrine AND also accept that Ellen White passed that Bible test. And there are those who agree with the 1Cor 12 list but do not accept Ellen White.

There is a fundamental belief statement that affirms the work of Ellen White as an example of someone who passed the test of a prophet.

We also believe that Agabus, and Anna in the Temple and Philip's daughters and everyone in 1Cor 14 passed those tests.

This keeps getting repeated - you keep pretending you do not understand "the words".

HP has already stated that he is one that was able to read the words and understand them.

It just does not get any simpler than this.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Bob. i think we all understand your position on the gift of prophecy. What is being sought is would a person be accepted and baptised into your church if they disagreed, not on the gift of prophecy, but on EGW qualifying as being one of those prophets.

In other words, can I be baptised into your congregation if I do not agree that EGW was a qualified prophet? I'm sure you probably have membership classes prior to accepting a person into your congregation. Is the subject of EGW part of these classes and is it a requirement to accept her as a prophet in order to be accepted and baptised?

:godisgood:

 

Yes the would be accepted. In fact that is the case with a large number of Adventists in Europe. But there are also those in the U.S that take that same position.

The membership classes - include the history of both the Millerites and the Adventists, as well as the fact of Ellen White's ministry in the 1800's and early 1900's. (that class also includes the fact of the mistaken predictions made by the Millerites in 1843 and in 1844 and how that lead to the formation of the Adventist church).

in Christ,

Bob

 

THanks Bob, that answers my questions. It does sound odd to me though that a SDA would reject EGW. Isn't that like a baptised member of a Menonite Church rejecting Meno? Or one who calls himself a Mormon rejecting the crazy teachings of Joesph Smith?

:jesus:

 

It would be difficult as a Mormon to reject Joseph Smith since a lot of Mormon doctrine comes right out of "Pearl of Great Price" and "Doctrines and Covenants" INSTEAD of "the Book of Mormon"(authored by Samuel Spalding) or the Bible (authored by God).

In the case of Adventists - the doctrines are all presented and tested "Sola Scriptura" without any reliance on anything Ellen White ever said.

Thus it is very easy for people to join on that basis alone. Which is why you see so much of that going on the Adventist church - and none of it going on in the Mormon Church.

in Christ,

Bob