Let GOD Be GOD!

This is a misuse and misinterpretation of scripture. In Matt 1:21 "his people" means the Jews.

Matt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

When the woman from Canaan came to Jesus because her daughter was vexed with a devil, Jesus would not at first even speak to her.

Matt 1:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

And this is when Jesus said he was only sent unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Now, it is true that after the Jews rejected Jesus that the gospel was sent unto the Gentiles. And it is also true that when this woman continued to ask Jesus to help her daughter that he did heal her. But at the time Matthew 1:21 was spoken, at this time Jesus was sent unto the Jews only. So when it says he will save "his people" from their sins it is speaking of the Jews.

Here is what the Jamieson Fausset-Brown commentary says, just to show you I am not alone on this:

So you see, they also agree that when Matt 1:21 was spoken, at that time it applied only to the Jews.

And you misapply this verse. Did 100% of the Jews get saved? Just because Jesus was sent to save them does not mean 100% were saved.

I am going to show you an analogy directly from scripture, although you will probably not accept it.

Luke 5:4 Now when he had left speaking, he said unto Simon, Launch out into the deep, and let down your nets for a draught.
5 And Simon answering said unto him, Master, we have toiled all the night, and have taken nothing: nevertheless at thy word I will let down the net.
6 And when they had this done, they inclosed a great multitude of fishes: and their net brake.

Peter had spent all night fishing and had caught nothing. Jesus commanded them to launch out into the deep and let down their nets. Peter obeyed and they caught many fish. But very importantly, please note it says "their net brake". Many fish got away. Jesus comes to save all men, but not all men will accept his free gift of salvation and so get away.

And it was so with the Jews. Jesus came to save all Israel (and the Gentiles later), but not all get saved. Some get away.

 

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"Let God be God"

:laugh: As if any of us or what we believe could possibly prevent Him from being Himself! :laugh:

I agree with Winman on this one. You have misinterpreted the scripture to make it agree with how you believe.

 

Ezekiel 34:
12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will deliver them out of all places whither they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
13 And I will bring them out from the peoples, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them into their own land; and I will feed them upon the mountains of Israel, by the watercourses, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
14 I will feed them with good pasture; and upon the mountains of the height of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie down in a good fold; and on fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.
15 I myself will be the shepherd of my sheep, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord Jehovah.
16 I will seek that which was lost, and will bring back that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but the fat and the strong I will destroy; I will feed them in justice.
17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I judge between sheep and sheep, the rams and the he-goats.
18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have fed upon the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pasture? and to have drunk of the clear waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
19 And as for my sheep, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet, and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
20 Therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah unto them: Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep.
21 Because ye thrust with side and with shoulder, and push all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;
22 therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep.

John 10:
1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 When he hath put forth all his own, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7 Jesus therefore said unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door; by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and go out, and shall find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but that he may steal, and kill, and destroy: I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd layeth down his life for the sheep.
12 He that is a hireling, and not a shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, beholdeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth, and the wolf snatcheth them, and scattereth them:
13 he fleeth because he is a hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd; and I know mine own, and mine own know me,
15 even as the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd.

 

John*1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.



Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible
John 1:11
Verse 11. He came unto his own. His own land or country. It was called his land because it was the place of his birth, and also because it was the chosen land where God delighted to dwell and to manifest his favour. See Isa 5:1-7. Over that land the laws of God had been extended, and that land had been regarded as peculiarly his, Ps 147:19-20.
His own. His own people. There is a distinction here in the original words which is not preserved in the translation. It may be thus expressed: "He came to his own land and his own people received him not." They were his\ @people, because God had chosen them to be his above all other nations; had given to them his laws; and had signally protected and favoured them, De 7:6; 14:2.

Received him not. Did not acknowledge him to be the Messiah. They rejected him and put him to death, agreeably to the prophecy, Isa 53:3-4.

 

I showed how you misinterpreted this scripture.

#1 at the time Matt 1:21 was spoken it applied to only the Jews. Amy is exactly correct in that John 1:11 is speaking only of the Jews when it says he came unto "his own".

And you've got a serious problem there, because it says "his own received him not".

John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

This proves your argument false.

#2 not everyone who Christ came to save actually gets saved.

So, you are misinterpreting and misapplying scripture to attempt to force it to prove your doctrine, but rightly interpreted scripture disproves your doctrine.

 

First off, the passage you are quoting is Matthew 10, not Matthew 1.

Secondly, if you were correct in your interpretation Jesus would have refused to heal her daughter. He didn't. At the end of the passage, which you don't refer to at all, He does heal the daughter. It is obvious this was a test of faith for the woman. She demonstrated her faith in Christ.

Furthermore, your interpretation presupposes that God never intended to save Gentiles until the Jews rejected Christ. This is absurd. In Genesis 12--the call of Abraham--God tells him:

And I will make of you a great nation,
and I will bless you and make your name great,
so that you will be a blessing.

I will bless those who bless you,
and him who dishonors you I will curse,
[so that] in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed
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God always intended to save Gentiles. The Jews' rejection of God and their subsequent rejection of Christ was all part of the plan. The Jews were intended to be a "Kingdom of Priests" and, therefore, a missionary nation--spreading and showing God's word to the nations. They failed...long before they rejected Christ.

Blessings,

The Archangel

 

Archangel, I did not fail to mention that when the Jews rejected Jesus that the gospel went to the Gentiles. But at the time Matt 1:21 was spoken it applied only to the Jews.

What are you talking about in Matthew 10?

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Maybe your bible is messed up, this verse is in Matthew 1 in my bible.

I agree that God always intended to save the Gentiles, but not at the time Matthew 1:21 was written. That was later, read the writings of Paul.

John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Who did Jesus come to? HIS OWN. Did they receive him? No.

You need to study more.

 

You posted this:

The passage you claim as Matthew 1:22-23 is not Matthew 1, it is Matthew 15. I myself inadvertently referred to it as Matthew 10. It is Matthew 15.

Maybe it is you who needs a new Bible. In my Bible, Genesis comes before the epistles of Paul.

As if you don't. Your typical ugliness is not appreciated. I guess the more wrong you are the uglier you get?

The Archangel

 

Let's not forget Isaiah 11:10:

Let's not forget Romans 9:23-26:

Let's not forget Romans 10:19-20:

 

The verse says "he SHALL SAVE his people from their sins." In other words, all who are "his people" actually become saved.

If you say that "his people" here are "the Jews" do you mean all Jews? If this is the case, then Jesus failed. A prophecy way made about Jesus that was proven utterly false?!

Also, you would have the problem of absurdity in your own assertions. If you assert that people (including "the Jews") have libertarian free will and that salvation requires the "cooperation" of this autonomous will with the otherwise ineffectual work of the Holy Spirit, how and why would God possibly make such a ridiculous and philosophically impossible claim to save "the Jews"?

 

God has always saved Gentiles. But until the resurrection of Christ, a Gentile had to become a Jew by conversion (Proselyte) in order to be saved. After Jesus went to the Father, anyone, Gentile or Jew was saved through faith In Christ and did not have to become a Jew first.

So, Jesus did come to just the Jews, but later the kingdom was opened up to anyone who had simple faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, without having to be circumcised and follow the Law.

 

Maybe this will help the Calvinists.

 

Did both Jew and Gentile have to keep the Law to be saved? If so, how was this possible?