U.S. Constitution - Article 4 Section 4...

Each and every day.

I firmly believe that this would generate a lot of jobs in AZ. It would take a lot of manpower to round up the illegals, transport them, feed them in transit, stand guard to keep them from running off, etc. Why, there's a huge shot in the arm for the state economy right there. Sure they may lose a few jobs at government agencies because of the drop in demand for them all of a sudden, but it would more than balance out overall.

 

Instead of whining about visitors.. try witnessing to them...

God is bringing the whole world to your doorstep, and all you do is cry about how YOUR rights are being tramped on...

JESUS said go into ALL the world.. well guys, the world is next door... within 15 miles from my home we have over 20 different nationalities... and that is the norm...
And even more so the coming decade.. the day of the European White Man ruling America is gone.. Whites are becoming a minority in America... WE are truly becoming a melting pot, with many, many nations at our doorstep.

Instead of whining and complaining.. GUT AND INTRODUCE THEM TO JESUS...
START A HISPANIC CHURCH...

Because, here's a novel idea, when they get saved.. Christ will change them.. and they will WANT to obey authority because it is the Christ honoring thing to do.

 

double post.

 

Why not witness to them... turn their hearts to Jesus... and then HELP them... to many from Honduras, El Salvador, etc.. sending them back would be a death sentence.. HELP them become legal...

Many churches are sponsoring people to help them become legal. These are the "Strangers" that Jesus said we should minister too.

 

Sadly, we ARE being invaded:
The sad truth is that it is not entirely by 'illegal' aliens..... but by our own government's decision to quarter and train internationals, under the guise of UN 'Peace Keeping' forces to train with our militiary, use our weapons, have access to our lands and our bases and our military protocols, and with the potential for use in OUR COUNTRY, in the event a crisis, whether by natural occurrence or man's invention, precipitates an order of martial law.

The illegals which are crossing the borders of Mexico to enter.... may be of any descent or country, although, no doubt, most are Mexicans. Of their number, some really do come here to escape the poverty and corruption of their own country, and some come fleeing for peace and safety, which their own government doesn't provide........ But some enter with criminal intent (beyond that of being here illegally)..... some to bring drugs and set up cells of distribution..... and others with ideas of fomenting strife, terrorism, and intentions of war.


Postscript: Sorry, but I just don't see the end to these repeated threads or obsessions about illegal alliens.

So the Congress voted to allow Puerto Rico to become a state?

 

Because that would cause one to be called the worst of all names - a 'liberal.'

 

Well, I don't know about other churches, but while they may be revving their engines, and not doing anything, we are.. And our Hispanic ministries are blooming...

And God is blessing!.. Needs are being met, and people are coming to Christ.

Here is an example of how great God is:

Our Baptist association has been working in a nearby town where all the Hispanics live and work. There is no Baptist church in this town in our association, so we have been using a Presbyterian chapel for the last 6 months to hold our services. WE have outgrown this chapel. So imagine this...

God puts it in a Baptist Pastor's (ME!) heart to go before the Presbyterian session last Thursday. The pastor was good enough to put me on their agenda.
I ask for the main Presbyterian church's fellowship hall, and kitchen for every Saturday night starting in June to hold our Hispanic Worship services.
I share with them all we want to do, (including planting a Baptist church out of their fellowship hall!).. and all that God HAS been doing...
I leave the session.
Friday morning, I get a call that the session voted unanimously to allow us to use their facilities!!!
God is GREeeeAaaaaaaT! (from the Great theologian,Tony the Tiger...lol)

So while other churches are spinning their wheels... we are bringing people to the lord by living Matthew 25.

Matthew 25:31-46
(31) "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.
(32) All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
(33) He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
(34) "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
(35) For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
(36) I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
(37) "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
(38) When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
(39) When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
(40) "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
(41) "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
(42) For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
(43) I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
(44) "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
(45) "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
(46) "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

 

Man, I must be becoming a shhhh... liberal.. because I just read this article and agree with it...

http://blog.beliefnet.com/godspolitics/2008/03/a-proposal-for-illegal-aliens.html

 

I won't tell, Tiny. However your membership card is in the mail. Also you will soon receive directions to our secret meeting where we plot to destroy America. :laugh:

 

righteousdude,

Good posts. They should be sent back.

And if memory serves me correctly, strangers who soujourned among Israel will required to obey their laws.

 

Well, I believe in the Three "G's"
God
Guns
and
Get the heck off my property!

 

I understand your sentiment.. However i want you to really think about his part I quoted.
Especially the part I bolded and enlarged.

I firmly disagree with that.. (Which is what I think our disagreement is truly over).. .

I don't see a need to differentiate people depending on who they are. People, ALL people need Christ. And NO Where did Jesus say to put more importance on your own people than others. This is what the Jewish Leaders were doing. Remember the way they treated Samaritans. But what did Jesus do? He made a SPECIAL trip according to the first few verses in John 4.. JUST to the Samaritans... Now, there were people that, I am sure, needed help that day in Jerusalem. There were Jewish women that also needed to know that Jesus was the living water, but he chose to prioritize that day, and go into a community that was disliked by the Jews... Just to help them.

NO, I don't believe that being a citizen of America gives anyone more importance in the eyes of God. Humans are all needful.

That is what I have been saying all along. My Heavenly Citizenship is more important than my American Citizenship. And as a citizen of Heaven, I am commanded by my king to help people... ALL people... Not JUST Americans. Our King has demanded us in Matt. 25 how to help. Either we obey our king, or we don't.

Can you honestly tell me that if Christ asks you at the Judgment Seat of Christ why you refused to help illegals, you can honestly look him in the eyes and say, "They were not Americans, and helping Americans was my first priority."???

Could you honestly say that? What would you expect him to say?
"Good job, I only died for the Americans.. what a way to be discerning."

I don't think so... because he didn't die for Just citizens.. he died for ALL. And according to Matt 25, he expects us to serve men... ALL men, women, children, in all races... and cultures, and countries, and communities.

 

Can that secret place be seen from Palin's house in Alaska??

 

Because all illegal immigrants really are just drug dealers, job stealers, opportunists, and crime producers...none of them are looking for an opportunity like all of our distant relatives at some point, none of them are looking for family, none of them are contributing, none of them believed the promise of America. No they are all just evil people that want to destroy the civilization for their own greedy little motives.

BTW, we started a Hispanic congregation about two years ago with 25 people and it has exploded to 500. There is a thirst for the freedom that Christ gives. We are seeing such amazing strongholds broken down and people rescued from condemnation. It is a vibrant ministry.

 

Praise God for your ministry.