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Santorum on the separation of church and state

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Crabtownboy, Mar 16, 2012.

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  1. Crabtownboy

    Crabtownboy Well-Known Member
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    This issue alone should prevent any Baptist from voting for Santorum. The separation of church and state is one issue that Baptist fought for as the US became a country. Do you really want a church hierarchy to have undue influence over the workings of our federal government?

    Santorum is a practicing Catholic and I understand why he believes what he said below. It also reminds me of a quote I heard when Kennedy was running. A fellow said when asked about a Catholic being president, "It isn't the first Catholic president that I am afraid of, it is the second and third one that I fear."

    Santorum said:
     
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  2. mandym

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    This is the most dishonest post I have seen from you. And that is saying a lot. Here is what Sanatorum said further:

    And that is from your own link. You took his words and yanked them out of context to make his words say something completely different. Shame on you
     
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    The separation of state clause never says that people of faith have no role in the public square. That is a totally different topic. That statement shows his lack of understanding of the concept of the separation of Church and State. It shows another area of great ignorance on his part. I am not sure if he is just ignorant or just attempting to garner votes.

    On Baptist and separation of church and state:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptists_in_the_history_of_separation_of_church_and_state

    There is much more, but this is enough for now. Do some research ... Rick needs to do so.

    James Madison wrote on the separation of church and state:

    This is what the separation of church and state is about, not about keeping anyone out of the public square.
     
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    Since it is the very thing Santorum was talking about and you have dishonestly tried to avoid it is clear that since you posted the link to his words it is the topic. Shame on you


    Your statement shows how you are trying to twist his words into something he did not say. You ripped them out of context and have been a dishonest man bearing false witness.
     
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  5. Crabtownboy

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    It is Santorum who is trying to bring new meaning into the separation of church and state. It has nothing to do with allowing or not allowing people of faith into the public square. This is a fabrication by Santorum or a complete misunderstanding on his part.




    What I have shown is that Santorum is either playing loose and fast politics or is completely ignorant of the topic.
     
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    Boy you are slicker than that which slides out of the south end of an owl. You have misrepresented Santorum in unChristian behavior and taken his words out of context. If you wanted to make a point about separation of church and state you used a poor example by quoting Santorum as he did not say what you tried to make him say. Seriously you need to step your level of maturity up to that of at least a college student and stop this shameful behavior and ungodly actions.






    What you have shown is you are dishonest in an attempt to bash him.
     
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    I'd like to look up that clause. Can you show me where that is found in the Constitution?
     
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    I will double up on this question. Where did you find this mysterious clause?
     
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    nevermind.
     
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    And to further add to the misrepresentation of santorum in the op here is a quote from the link in the op:

    This op is an clear example of the desperate tactics of the left these days. It is shameful and no Christian should take part in this behavior.
     
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    :laugh:

    Boy, C.T.Boy's dishonesty is really showing.

    I'll be looking for his answers.
     
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    have to rightly define what founders meant by "seperation"

    refered to the government would NOT create state religion, would NOT dictate which religion was to be held...

    DID want to have God and bilical principles in "public square", as most of them held that govenment to be effection had to be moral, as did the peop[le, and that God and religion was "necessity" for the republic to work!
     
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    I do not want the State dictating to the Church, nor do I was a any Church dictating to the government. I do not want any church to be a State church. One of the lessons of history is that when the church has too much political power very bad things happen. Look at the Islamic states of today. Look at Medieval Europe as another example.

    From the Constitution:
     
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    There have been atheistic regiemes that have been far, far worse.

    You still have to deal with yopur misrepresentation of Santorum's words.

    Then, you can tell us what how Santorum's REAL words violate either article you just posted.
     
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    Founders wanted to promote Christianity, as yuo could hold to what you wanted, on no religion, bu wanted to promote Christianity!

    And to have biblical principles in action!
     
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    I see you are ignoring your unChristian dishonesty
     
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  17. Crabtownboy

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    I do not understand your sentence.

    Whose Biblical principles? Yours? Mine? The Catholic Church? The SBC? Pentecostals? Adventists?
     
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    Do you agree with the Constitution?

    What is your understanding of separation of church and state as it is presented in the Constitution?
     
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    Also please present the separation clause you mentioned earlier and while you are posting that you can repent of your dishonesty.
     
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    Founders had a view that the Government stay out of the Church affairs, NOT that the Church was to stay out of government affairs!

    they wanted to promote jesus and the Bible as foundations to build new republic on!
     
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