Featured Christ: Physical and Spiritual through Eternity?

Christ did not return in 70 AD, but as for the question....

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Revelation 1:13-17 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

These two verses describe Jesus as He was/is in heaven. His earthly body was human.

 

I believe the body Jesus has now is the same spiritual body He had prior to His incarnation (with added holes in his hands and feet to show His defeat over sin, death and the grave). The problem is when we think spiritual must be opposite of physical. In Christ's spiritual body He walked, ate and was touched.

 

Quite simply: YES.

I realize it is one of the great mysteries of the universe to say that the Eternal unchangeable God has "changed," but I would agree with Grudem's statement that We can only say God is unchangeable in the ways that the Bible says he is unchangeable.

If you take unchangeable to the extreem, you would have to say the incarnation itself is impossible...since even that was a temporary change. So even by your logic, We would have to say: God never changes PERMENENTLY, but can change TEMPORARILY.

 

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and to-day, yea and for ever. Heb 13:8

 

Except for that time when he became a human being, and when he took on the name "Jesus".

I just don't think we can take these verses and apply them to every aspect of Jesus, since they obviously would not make sense that way.

 

I agree 12strings.

When the Word became flesh His essential attributes of deity did not change.

True, they were veiled and for a little while He laid aside many of His perogatives of deity in order to die for humankind.

NAS Hebrews 2:9 But we do see Him who has been made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.​

HankD​

 

That the Word became flesh - Yes I believe this.

But no, the Incarnation did not change the eternal attributes of the Logos. The Logos Himself did not change.

He IS a Spirit, He HAS a body.

His essential attributes of deity are unchanged before and after the incarnation.

HankD

 

The reason why Jesus came in a physical body, was so that He could be nailed to the cross. You can't crucify a Spirit. When He went back to the Father, He took on the form of His Spiritual form. God is Spirit, Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is Spriit in heaven now. At least this is how I see it.

 

Actually it does. Scrippture is quite clear a spiritual body is physical. If not the resurrection is moot.

 

All Scripture dealing with Christ post resurrection and the ones telling us will be like His.

 

Tom,

I have always believed this verse teaches it:

Glorius body=spiritual body

and here:

this seems to imply the spiritual body has a material form to hold the spirit...like paul says in 2 cor 5:
2 Corinthians 5

1For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

 

I am not real sure the soul can, be, except it has a body.


For we (Souls that are in Christ) know that if our earthly house of tabernacle (Our body) were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. (Another habitation for the soul)

that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 2C5:4
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality. 1C15:53

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Is not the following the firstborn image that is being spoken of?
who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all he might have the preeminence.

The image of the resurrected Jesus the Christ. Then and then only will he be the firstborn of many. (So born.)

 

Remember, when we die, our soul goes back to God, and our physical body molders back to the dust(Ecc. 12:7). When Jesus returns in the Cloud, the souls of those who died in the Lord, Jesus will bring with Him. The graves will burst open, and our bodies will be resurrected with a body like Jesus', ascend to the Cloud, and reunite with that soul. Those who are alive in Him at this time, their physical body is changed and the spiritual body and soul will go to meet the Lord in the air in the Cloud.

 

Christ: Physical and Spiritual through Eternity?

for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. NKJV
for IN her BEING-generatED OUT OF-spirit IS HOLY Interlinear Sctipture4all

Did that in bold actually take place?

 

If Jesus Christ is now a Spirit only, what happened to the body He was crucified in?

HankD

 

God will bring with Jesus those who sleep in Jesus by the "even so".

Let's see we are heirs (not inheritors) of God and joint heirs with Christ. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; Now Christ is the firstborn from the dead and when we are conformed to his image he will then be, the firstborn of many brethren.

Gal3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 18 For if the inheritance of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham (and his one seed Christ) by promise. 19 Wherefore then the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God, he cannot inherit the kingdom of God. That witch is born of the flesh is flesh. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

"Even so" as Jesus died and rose again, God will being with Jesus into the kingdom of God, those that sleep in Jesus by resurrection from the dead.

Then we will be joint inheritors of the kingdom of God, inheritors of eternal life and inheritors of a new name.