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I Wasn't Done Enlightening...

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Benjamin, Nov 14, 2012.

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  1. Benjamin

    Benjamin Well-Known Member
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    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=82736&page=2

    Those jumping on the bandwagon saying this is merely about political correctness are missing the point that it is more than that, much more!

    It is about communicating intelligently while respectfully demonstrating some empathy for the difficulties and feelings others face and are challenged by in everyday life.

    It is about having the communication skills that allow us to show some compassion.

    The point is it is beyond ignorant for one to have the kind of self-centered attitude that would go around referring to a “Person!” with disabilities as the “crippled guy”, the “handicapped”, “retarded” people, etc. if they continue to do so after being informed of how it is taken.

    Aon that note, imagine just for one minute a person who has sustained a recent spinal injury and just out of the hospital being referred to by some ignorant stranger as “the handicapped guy”! Can you not imagine (empathize with?) the damage and insult that might do to one’s self-esteem?! Is it that big of a deal to learn to address people more respectfully and make the effort to do it with compassion? BTW, I would lose my job for purposely referring to a person that way because I have been educated otherwise and to display that kind of lack of empathy is a direct violation of the code of ethics I agreed to concerning how to treat people with respect!

    Now, I will agree a person with a disability should have some patience with others that speak about them ignorantly, like they are an “impairment” rather than a “person”, …but if corrected, to just ignore the correction and then begin to bark about it only being a PC issue and to go on being offensive afterward?!? I hope no one here would continue to do so.

    I’m not saying anyone here has done this ,…yet, but once the difficulty’s been explained on the issue I can’t see anything in it but hatefulness and a lack of empathy and common decency to cop an attitude of “Tuff stuff! I don’t buy into theories of politically correct ethics for anyone!” To have the intention to go on about NOT being concerned with addressing “people” with disabilities by their impairment becomes a serious character flaw in my book.

    If nothing I have said here has convinced one to reconsider his position …because they are THAT hung up on disregarding any display of political correctness …and the same wants to openly show that kind of disregard and insensitivity for the feelings of people with disabilities and are not concerned with offending others by not speaking to them and about them as a “person first” I know a bodybuilding sports enthusiast “crippled guy” I’d like to introduce you to. :thumbs:
     
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    I appreciate you Benjamin, but I'm convinced it is a waste of time.

    I am grateful for people such as John Piper, who proclaim the glory of God that is revealed in those of us who are disabled.

    I'm done.
     
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    Sorry, did not know how the quote worked, I have comments within the quote.
    Gee if I'm that guy bring the "crippled guy" on if he wants to beat the tar out of an old man. That is a very intellectual way to take care of your problems.:thumbsup:

    I tried to say, indeed I did say, "No offense meant to anyone" and that is what I meant no matter how my post might be taken.

    If we cannot discuss a topic why bother posting.

    I am quite sensitive and very empathetic with all people and for you to assume anyone here is less than your standard and condemning them is very mature. That is not a slam, it is an encouragement to consider your posts a little longer before clicking the submit reply.

    Apology submitted if this or any of my posts have offended anyone.

    Blast at will if you will but no further response will be made from this end of the world because I mean no offense, I meant no offense, and since I seem to have offended I again apologize.
     
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    Back in the early eighties The National Democratic Party came up with the term "differently abled" to discuss _____________(fill in the blank) in a more positive light.
     
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    Actually, I was referring to the posts after yours when I brought up the beginning "bandwagon", which in fact did follow with comments with opposition based on PC issues along with multiple strawman arguments. Examples?:

    …and basically showing a lack of understanding and/or empathy regarding the point being made about “Putting the person first when addressing them”.

    If they are expressing their distaste for respecting the feelings of one based on their objections to PC while others are trying to explain the importance of communication skills that are “putting the person first” I have a pretty good idea they either are not getting the point or don’t care.

    People are in fact hurt every day by being referred to “first” by their impairment rather than as a person! I think maybe it is you that needs to reread what I what I am getting at.

    It is understandable that people do not immediately recognize the insult on the self-esteem on people with disabilities by referring to the disability or impairment before the person – I made comments pertaining to showing some grace on that issue and even said I had recently become more aware (“enlightened”) …what I am referring to is those who have missed the point or even might be thinking about calling this a PC issue and dismissing it as such – after being informed (meaning have recognized the point being made).

    What?!? It is a common poorly delivered communication about other people that happens all the time; that is why the subject is covered in every professional health care curriculum and why the first thread was started. I've assumed nothing, in general.

    It was a rhetorical statement.

    Again, I understand people often don’t recognize right away WHY this is more than a PC issue. That is why I addressed it further.

    But...I am discussing it and trying to explain its importance.

    I’ll take that under consideration and hopefully you’ll consider that I am addressing anyone who would NOT willingly adjust their communication to be more sensitive to persons with disabilities based on belittling it as a mere PC issue.


    I am not offended by you, just trying to enlighten people as to why proper communication in this area is important. No apology needed.
     
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    Thanks, ...well "I" know where you're coming from. You may be right of it being a waste of time ...When I first heard the issue being brought up I too thought it was it was mostly in regard to PC but I've learned different and why, so I guess I hope there might be a few others here tha might see it that way.

    I think I've made my point if I'm carefully read and am going to let it go FWIW.

    :tonofbricks:
     
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    I think we can go way too far with political correct speech. On the other hand, we can inform others of their ignorance without getting offended and taking it personally. Most people just don't think of how their behavior and words hurt others. Calling a man with hearing impairment the "deaf guy" is akin to someone calling your wife the "fat lady" or your son a "blockhead kid." It's not being overly sensitive or PC to point this out.

    Those who do not experience the day to day struggle with limitations, who are not constantly identified this way on a regular basis, are blissfully ignorant of how it wears on a person who hears it over and over. It's our job to educate people to make them aware.

    Now, expecting BETTER treatment, like undeserved good grades in school or a job bonus due to a physical limitation WOULD be going too far, but I really don't see people with disabilities demanding such. I think all people with disabilities just want to be treated with the same dignity and respect others get, that's all.

    The next time you see someone who is deaf, blind, lame, etc. put yourself in their shoes and think about the golden rule. Isn't that what Christ would have us to do in the first place? Would Christ grab the closest parking spots and rush in front of slower folks to get a better place in line? Would Christ roll his eyes and sigh because he had to wait an extra 30 seconds for someone to cross the street? Would he snort at a large person in a wheelchair and assume the disability is due to their size or stupidity? Think about it.
     
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    Perhaps the solution is to teach people to refer to other people by their NAMES instead of their conditions. That way no one has to worry about the PC police or feel like their rights are being infringed upon to say what they want how they want.
     
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    William Cowper
     
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    Rather than making yourself an instructor of others and even a controller of others, you may want to consider why your own vision is so poor.

    Romans 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
     
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