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The real reason for Greece's problems?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Eric B, Nov 24, 2012.

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  1. Eric B

    Eric B Active Member
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    It seemed to be unanimously claimed that Greece fell because of "socialism", to the point that I took everyone's word for it.
    But today, someone was talking and said that Greece went bankrupt, not because of socialism, but because they never should have joined the EU, but got in with help from Goldman Sachs, who somehow profited from their fall.

    So I looked it up, and found that this seems to be true:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international...ed-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...oan-shows-two-sinners-as-client-unravels.html

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...cy-goldman-sachs-conquers-europe-6264091.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?pagewanted=all

    And apparently this same dynamic has affected our economy as well. Obviously, a multinational bank can easily take a lot of money out of the country.

    So as in other issues, why don't conservatives pay more attention to the banksters? (Instead, they will blame the bottom 47% of the country for draining all the money). I see people calling this "conspiracy theory", but apparently, this bank (and some other institutions like it) have about as much power in the world as any government (it just goes about it by different means; financial legislative), but it seems governments are the only power structures they are afraid of.

    I'm not saying socialism is no problem, but it seems to be true that both it and capitalism are just tool manipulated by the real power-brokers.
     
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  2. Revmitchell

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    So Greece tries to lie to get into the Euro and you want to blame the banks?
     
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    You never even read even one of the articles did you? You just regurgitate. International Jewish bankers are at the heart and core of this debacle.

    Poncho is right.
     
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    Sigh....the quote I posted is from one of the articles in the op. Maybe you should read them before posting
     
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    Sigh, I'll rephrase:

    You don't comprehend, international Jewish bankers are at the heart and core of this debacle.

    Poncho is right.
     
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    More anti-semitic posts from you. And no they aren't. Greece is responsible for their own deceitfulness and spending.
     
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    Goldman Sachs = international Jewish bank

    How is it 'anti-semitic' to point that fact out?
     
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    Good luck with that. :thumbs:
     
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    How Goldman Sachs Helped Greece to Mask its True Debt

    "But in the Greek case the US bankers devised a special kind of swap with fictional exchange rates. That enabled Greece to receive a far higher sum than the actual euro market value of 10 billion dollars or yen. In that way Goldman Sachs secretly arranged additional credit of up to $1 billion for the Greeks".
    http://www.spiegel.de/international...ed-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html
     
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    Greece to Mask its True Debt
     
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    There's no 'luck' to it. It's a simple pure logical fact. If that somehow offends your tender feelings to have it so stated, then it's you that have the problem with semitism, not me.
     
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    Not just unconverted jews, but gentiles as well, if you believe the book I believe, who happen to be under the control of someone who used to be in control of us as well.

    We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one. And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

    Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

    And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

    BTW, Christians are saved by a... Jew and ought to be appreciative of them as well.

    What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.
     
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  13. Eric B

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    Jewishness should not have anything to do with it. These are people in power who happen to be Jewish, but the system of power goes way beyond them. “Gentile” Europeans seem to be more at the center of the whole European-based system.
    It's just yet another distraction from the real power structure, like blaming only the left, or the poor for every nation's problem.

    That said, while Greece may have gone along with it, it did seemlike the bank reaaly encouraged it for their own scheme (which sort of parallels the whole mortgage crisis here).
     
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    Our old money American rulers were and are mostly Baptists and Presbyterians.
     
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