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Stats Prove Gun Control Does Not Work

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Revmitchell, Dec 17, 2012.

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  1. Revmitchell

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    Just this week, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals struck down Illinois’s ban on carrying concealed weapons and gave the state six months to draft a law that legalizes concealed carry. Despite having the toughest gun control laws in the country Chicago remains one of the most violent and deadliest cities. A concealed carry law will make Illinois better and safer.

    Gun control advocates just need to look at Virginia. Between 2006-2011 gun sales went up by 73% and at the same time gun-related violent crimes fell 24%. Virginia Commonwealth University professor Thomas R. Baker, who specializes in research methods and criminology, said this proves that more guns do not in fact cause more violence.

    "While there is a wealth of academic literature attempting to demonstrate the relationship between guns and crime, a very simple and intuitive demonstration of the numbers seems to point away from the premise that more guns leads to more crime, at least in Virginia," said Baker.

    Baker examined six years of data from the Virginia Firearms Transaction Center that broke down the number of gun transactions for every federally licensed firearm dealer in Virginia. Background checks went up from 243,251 in 2006 to 420,829 in 2011. In 2006 there were 23,431 violent crimes in Virginia and dropped to 18,196 in 2011.

    Handgun purchases increased 112% between 2006-2011 and violent crimes committed by people using handguns dropped by 22%.


    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/16/Stats-Prove-Gun-Control-Does-Not-Work
     
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    And you believe guns make you safe?

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    Yes very safe. thanks for asking.
     
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    If guns make us safe why are there so many more deaths in the USA from guns than in other countries? If the made us safe should there not be fewer deaths from guns?

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    Have you bothered to check out the gun control laws for the countries represented on your list?

    How about Canada?
    Sweden?
    United Kingdom - Britian?
    Israel?
    That was just a quick lookup of some of the countries listed in your ban the guns promo piece.

    Mexico has gun control laws in place. Have you looked at their stats?

    Any comment on the list of stats included in the last link?
     
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    Because there are too many restrictions. Try thinking this through fro yourself rather than just following lock step with the extreme far left.
     
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    They give everyone a handgun and according to your logic violent deaths would go down. Right?

    What can we do to foster less violence in our society?
     
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    Put God back in our school system, place an ugly stigma on violent video games and movies, get rid of all agencies that do not respect life (Planned Parenthood) Stand up for biblical principles in every facet of our country. The issue is not a tool (gun) problem it is a heart problem.

    Life needs to become precious again to the American people. Those that promote agencies that have no respect for life (Planned Parenthood) are a big part of the problem. Between the violence in games and movies and the disrespect for life in the womb it means nothing to take innocent lives.

    We also need to work on strengthening families. We need strong families that have a mother and a father in the home that take concern for the daily lives of their children. These are the issues that feed violence. Not the tools violent people use.
     
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    So now diseased liberals will introduce an assult weapons ban in the wake of the conn killing when there was no assault weapons involved. Quite telling that this is just an excuse. Which liberals are good at. Just ask Hillary.
     
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    How many unborn children are slaughtered every day by Planned Parenthood? We need a ban on them long before we need a ban on any kind of gun.
     
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    Media blackout: Oregon mall shooter was stopped by an armed citizen

    liberal media bias
    Oregon mall shooting

    While reports of Tuesday's shooting at the Clackamas Town Center Mall in Oregon, dominated the national media, until Friday's horrific shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut, one very important detail has been repeatedly (and intentionally) left out of the MSM's coverage.

    The shooter, Jacob Tyler Roberts, was confronted with an armed citizen, at which time he ran away and shot himself. By the time police arrived on the scene, Roberts was already dead.

    That armed man was 22-year-old Nick Meli, who was at the mall shopping with a young woman who was babysitting her friend's baby.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/med...s-stopped-by-an-armed-citizen?cid=db_articles
     
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    Off topic. Start a thread on it.

    The SC has ruled and people can own guns. No question, it is the law. But, is there not some way to have some type of control to help prevent deranged people from having ready access and committing such terrible acts?

    Say, extremely tough laws for anyone found with a gun who is not licensed?

    Make licensing renewal mandatory every five years?

    Outlaw automatic weapons. No one really needs them.

    I grew up in the country with shotguns and rifles ... even an old muzzle loading rifle that used black powder. They were used for hunting and shooting predators, such as rabid foxes. I do not believe anyone really believed they were "safer" just because they had weapons in the house. Every kid I knew had access to rifles and shotguns but also every kid had been given lessons by their dad or granddad on how to handle such a weapon safely. This was for the protection of the kid with the gun and for the protection any anyone with him/her.

    For example, we were taught that when crossing a fence to lean the shotgun or rifle against a fence post, then walk to the next fence post and cross the fence at that point. [You always cross a fence at a post, never between them.]

    To me this is a myth and a very well presented myth that many people believe. More people are accidentally killed by family members than from people breaking into the house. I expect very few bandits or housebreakers are killed by homeowners. We do know that very innocent people have been shot when they knocked on a door asking for directions. Remember the Japanese college student who walked up to a house, knocked on the door and was shot by a suspicions homeowner. Of course I'd never trust city folk with knowing how to handle weapons anyway.

    Oh well ... this is a divisive issue and I doubt there will ever be agreement on the topic.
     
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    From my understanding the same thing happened in CT. I believe that I heard that the police came straight into the building, saw the shooter who saw them and then ran back into a classroom, got off a few more shots (into the students who were most likely already dead) and then shot himself. His plan was to continue killing - NOT to kill some and then kill himself.
     
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    Pure statistics do not tell the whole story. The fact of the matter is that the more guns there are, the more shootings there are, period. What are you willing to accept as the price for a complete lack of responsibility? The lives of children in a first grade classroom?

    The rhetoric is always an all or nothing proposition. Let's put this in realistic terms. You can yammer and flap your lips all you want to about sanctity of human life, and the right to bear arms. But what have you accomplished if the children you've protected from abortion are gunned down in their classroom because you're not willing to restrict gun ownership and sales in a reasonable manner?

    The fact of the matter is that a number of Western European countries do an excellent job of putting responsible gun ownership in place, and have been quite successful not only at preventing hundreds of shooting deaths per year, but also in preventing massacres like this most recent school shooting. There are several different approaches that seem to work for both gun owners and for people who don't want to fear getting shot because they are merely walking down the street.
     
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    On topic it is my thread. More children are slaughtered by abortion than guns. Period. And you support the organizations that do that. You have no room to talk.
     
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    Jack, your claims are toothless. No facts to back them up.

    No, I am not willing to create gun-free zones full of defenseless women & children. You are. How can you possibly claim the moral high ground ?

    Are you more likely to get shot in Montana, where there are millions of guns, or New Your City, where handguns are "regulated" ?

     
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    What Drug Date Where Additional
    School Shooting Prozac WITHDRAWAL 2008-02-15 Illinois ** 6 Dead: 15 Wounded: Perpetrator Was in Withdrawal from Med & Acting Erratically

    School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant 2005-03-24 Minnesota **10 Dead: 7 Wounded: Dosage Increased One Week before Rampage

    School Shooting Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant 2001-03-10 Pennsylvania **14 Year Old GIRL Shoots & Wounds Classmate at Catholic School

    School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant & ADHD Med 2011-07-11 Alabama **14 Year Old Kills Fellow Middle School Student

    School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant 1995-10-12 South Carolina **15 Year Old Shoots Two Teachers, Killing One: Then Kills Himself

    School Shooting Med For Depression 2009-03-13 Germany **16 Dead Including Shooter: Antidepressant Use: Shooter in Treatment For Depression

    School Hostage Situation Med For Depression 2010-12-15 France **17 Year Old with Sword Holds 20 Children & Teacher Hostage

    School Shooting Plot Med For Depression WITHDRAWAL 2008-08-28 Texas **18 Year Old Plots a Columbine School Attack

    School Shooting Anafranil Antidepressant 1988-05-20 Illinois **29 Year Old WOMAN Kills One Child: Wounds Five: Kills Self

    School Shooting Luvox/Zoloft Antidepressants 1999-04-20 Colorado **COLUMBINE: 15 Dead: 24 Wounded

    http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?p=school
     
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