Submit to Nero

Each Christian has the Holy Spirit as a guide. Each Christian has common sense. There is a duty to obey authority in power and our conduct day to day should align with our nations law and God's law. Most on this board use this issue to defend their political view at the moment. One can argue one way or the other. If Bush is in office, obey ordained authority. If Obama is in office, oppose it because it is ungodly.

That is not the way it works. If there is a need to remove a governing authority, then the Lord will let us know, and give us the means to accomplish that goal. Comparing our present United States government, to Hitler, Stalin, Caesar, Hussein, etc, because one does not agree with its policies, shows a total lack of understanding of Scripture, the liberties and freedom we enjoy or history.

As was said above, it is a common issue to prove a personal agenda depending on who is in office. What a crock.

 

:1_grouphug::thumbs::godisgood:

 

What he said.

 

If each Christian had common sense we wouldn't keep voting for the people who keep creating all the problems.

We vote for them. They create the problems. We complain about the problems they create then we vote for them again.

Sounds more like insanity than common sense to me.

Every American could – literally – be labeled a suspected terrorist under current governmental criteria.

As Robert Gellately of Florida State University has highlighted, Germans under Hitler denounced their neighbors and friends not because they genuinely believed them to be a security threat, but because they expected to selfishly benefit from doing so, both financially, socially and psychologically via a pavlovian need to be rewarded by their masters for their obedience.

Wonder how they come by this "pavlovian need to be rewarded by their masters for their obedience"?

 

Dingy dingey

 

I don't know about that anymore. Consider the following: In so-called "Christendom" there are those who do not believe in a Holy Trinity, nor that Sunday is indeed the Lord's Day (ever heard of the 7th day Baptists?), nor that man is a trichotomy, a fallen human being, nor that God sovereignty exercises his grace and mercy on whom He chooses to. You can google the rest, brother.
If each Christian has the Holy Spirit as a guide, then it's the Christian who has the Holy Spirit by His soft nose. lol.

Oooopppsss !! (to wife: sorry honey, almost slipped off my chair. won't happen again. promise.)

Our nation's laws now include the laws of some states, two of which are neighboring mine, that says same sex deviants can now marry each other. There is NO provision, as far as I know, that says churches and ordained ministers can opt-out of this requirement if their beliefs dictate them to.
Obummercare is now part of the law of the land, so Christian businessmen should provide for the abortion of their employees, and then come to God and say, "sorry, Lord, you know how it is" ?

What if Nero, during Paul's time, issued a decree requiring all Christians to offer their six month old babies to him by slitting the baby's throats and spilling the babies' blood into a duct that leads to his bath tub ? Do you think Paul would tell his congregants to obey authority ?

I don't know about you, and I only speak for myself, but my political view is not as of this moment only. My political view has always been that government is OF the people, BY the people, and FOR the people (secularly) with a little bit more emphasis on FOR. Further comment reserved for more appropriate thread.

I oppose this current Administration because it HAD NOTHING to offer to the American people from the get-go. Mr. Obama is a narcissist who probably wakes up in the morning to oggle himself in the mirror, and he's got this whole politically-correct-minded country by the thanks to a socialist-leaning mainstream media, and a hypocritical Hollywood. This administration is not averse to shedding American blood when it suits its agenda and purpose. It is a danger to Americans.
BUT, he's got his four-more-years in the bag already, and the lady in Chicago has her smart phone courtesy of Obummer.
'nuff said.

 

Aaron and Poncho,

What are you all suggesting that Christians do? What's your plan of action? Lots of stuff gets written on here about how wrong Christians are politically but I don't seem to see what you all are doing or think we should we be doing.

Are you all saying that we should give "caesar a boot in the backside and kick him out"? How are you suggesting we do that?

 

Tom, have you ordered your new bushmaster yet? LOL

Cicero said it all when he made the statement, "politicians are not born, they are excreted" but we haven't learned that no matter who we put in that they will become corrupt. The American public proved this to me when we rejected probably the last guy with any semblance of virtuous attributes such as integrity, truthfulness and straightforwardness, Bob Dole (A Wounded Vet) in favor of that <deleted - LE> (Slick Willie) Bill Clinton in the United States presidential election, 1996.

Now we as a country, coast along as a corrupt & dysfunctional country..... Makes you feel that your own contributions to America through your time in the military was a waste, right!

 

No, it doesn't. I don't judge what I or anyone else did in the service of our country as a waste for 2 reasons: (1) I did what I knew to be right at the time. (2) Just because someone else messes up what afterwards doesn't change what was done before. Does what this country has become make the American revolution a waste? or the 2nd World War? I don't think so.

As a believer, I have an obligation to do what is right regardless of what people do with it afterwards.

 

I wish I could be that certain.

 

See attached

Does the Bible command Christians to "give unto evil?"

Should Christians turn in their firearms if the government tells them to?


http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20090303.htm

 

Tehn let me answer from my perspective. We ought to obey the government until government tells us to do something that is against Scripture. In Acts 4, the rulng authorities told Peter and John not to preach the Gospel. Their response was we are going to preach the Gospel and you decide what the penalty is.

In Matthew 17, Peter told Jesus that people were asking about him paying the tax.

Jesus seemed to be saying that the tax wasn't really right, but they would pay it.

As far as Pastor Wurmbrant's idea that Jesus was really saying to kick the Romans in the butt, he was an amazing man but a really poor expositor of Scripture in that area.

 

I admit that I am not certain of my position on this.

On one hand I read 1 Peter and remember the context of that letter. Christians were really being persecuted for their faith.

On the other the Israelite's were punished by God for not standing for justice. He sent men like David and Gideon to fight those who were oppressing His people. Micah 6:8 tells us to do justice.


So, suffering in the strength of Christ is a proper response. It is also a proper response to fight for those who cannot (or will not) fight for themselves.

I cannot help but think about the future spiritual implications of acquiescence to policies that unjustly oppress people and rob them of their future. How does disarming the populace impact the preaching and teaching of the Gospel? It did not bode well in many nations. Even in England where Christians have not been slaughtered the Church has been impacted in a very negative way by the unjust taking of individual liberty.

I can see God calling some to be stoic and face the persecution with peace.
I can see God calling some to be modern day David's.

I think we are in danger if we insist that there is only one right answer here as if God is calling all people to the same action.

 

God is ALREADY judging America....Barack Obama is just one more manifestation of that judgment. He's got more plagues for USA.

 

I know....blame him for the Bed bug crisis:laugh: