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Eternal Torture or Annihilation

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by steaver, Apr 1, 2013.

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  1. Eternal Torture for the lost soul

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  2. Torture in hell followed by eventual Annihilation

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  3. Not really sure

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  1. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
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    Does it really matter? Would a person accept Jesus Christ due to hearing about an eternal hell sooner than hearing about a term in hell ending with a bodily ressurrection and a second death of annihilation?
     
  2. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

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    The question is flawed from the beginning.
    I trusted Christ because he would forgive all my sins and grant me eternal life. He loved me enough to do that. Forgiveness didn't come from going back to a Catholic priest every week, but from Christ who once and for all, forever, forgave me from all my sins--past, present and future.

    The RCC is a religion of fear and of works.
    Christianity is a that of love and of faith.
     
  3. Thinkingstuff

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    What does the question have to do with Catholicism? The question is simple do you believe that there is eternal damnation where the damned are suffering for eternity or do you believe there is a time limit on the suffering in hell and hell itself will cease to exist with all the people and demons in hell will stop existing? The question is reasonable. And not once was Catholicism even mentioned in the question. I know you HATE the Catholic Church and look at every opportunity to insult it and provide your opinionated bias against it. Everyone gets it. You HATE the Catholic Church and see Jesuits under every rock. But I mean really! Even when a question is devoid of specifying anything Catholic you take the opportunity to attack. Or is it me? The fact that I answered and you can't stand that we might agree on something? So you take it out on the question? We all know God's motivator is love. But that isn't what the question was asking.
     
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    Desmond Ford, an Australian Seventh-day Adventist theologian, believes that hell does not include eternal life in the lake of fire. He is a fabulous theologian but that is one of the doctrines that he believes that I do not. Of course, I am a Baptist, and I think that I deserve eternal torment along with Adolf (if he does), but I hope for mercy.
     
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    I was answering the question using my testimony as an example.
    Fear of Hell may have nothing to do with getting saved at all.
    A person may get saved out of an overwhelming sense of the love of God, what Christ did for them at the cross. Why must one assume that he is saved from God's wrath, or that is the motivating factor. It is not. It is the love of God that saves. It is his grace. For by grace are you saved by faith and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works.

    Hell may have little to do with the motivation of why a person trusts the Lord as his savior. Thus the OP is flawed.
     
  6. steaver

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    Nah, thus the OP is dead on then! For I said, "Does it matter?"
     
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    I'm kinda like Chan on this issue, I lean towards eternal torture, but knowing what I know of God, His Love, Mercy and Justice, I struggle a bit to see a purpose in eternal punishment.

    I could possibly understand this for those who have rejected God and have heard the truth about these matters, willingly choosing hell, but find it difficult to understand for the millions who never heard of a gospel to reject, never having any choice in the matter. Born a sinner condemned and given no choice in the matter of salvation from that condemnation.
     
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    God gave two books. There is The Holy Bible and there is the book of the external universe. Both books testify of Jesus, and if you ask Jesus if He is real, you will be answered immediately. Nonetheless we must have a burden for lost souls and we must tell the Good News to everyone. Read the comforting words of Paul:

    Romans 1:16 (KJV) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.

    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
     
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    I know many who are at the same place you are on this issue.
     
  10. Yeshua1

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    2 things regarding hell...

    heaven is eternal, so is hell
    its the place of permanent seperation from god, ALl those that go to hell have chosen that destination, as hell is locked from the inside, IF they were to go to heaven to be around God, that would be hell to them!
     
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    I thought you were of the persuasion that people have no choice concerning heaven or hell?
     
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    people are accountible to god for their decisions, and those saved will be enabled by god to be able to receive jesus and get saved, and those lost will staty in the ir natural condition, the state they want to remain in!
     
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    Which is it? Choice or No choice???
     
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    those who go to hell freely chose to go there, as their natural state/inclinations will be to reject God here, and desire to keep on rejecting him!
     
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