What happens during the Rev 20 - 1000 years?

Starting this thread based on a comment from another thread.

During the 1000 years there are no humans alive on earth because in Rev 19 you have all mankind killed that is not taken to heaven.

Rev 20:4-5 tells us that the "First resurrection" takes place at the Rev 19-20 second Coming of Christ. (almost everyone agrees on this point.)

And 1Thess 4 tells us that the saints are raised in the first resurrection - not the 2nd one.

The saints are taken to heaven at the first resurrection - which happens according to John at the Rev 19-20 2nd coming - and Christ and the saints go to heaven.

Rev 19 says the armies of the earth are killed "And the rest are destroyed" by the sword of His mouth - His Word.

The times of refreshing is a reference to the "latter Rain" that Joel speaks of. Peter is stating that the sins are blotted out at a specific point in time related to pre-second-coming events described by Joel.

In the time of Isaiah - Israel had not yet rejected their Messiah - the glorious future for Israel was still ahead of them - should they accept the Messiah at His first coming - and prior to the 490 years of Dan 9 being ended for the Jews.

But they failed - so the promises remain - but they get fulfilled in Rev 21 when the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven to earth - and Christ rules over all the nations on earth - the nations of the saints.

Thoughts?

in Christ,

Bob

 

In Rev 14 we see again the grape gathered for the wine press of the wrath of God and this is how the Bible defines "ruling with a rod of iron".

In Rev 3 both God and the saints rule over the wicked with a rod if iron - and crush them under their feet.

The rod of iron - has no mercy, no forgiveness.

In 1Cor 6, and Rev 20:1-5 the saints judge the wicked world and fallen angels with Christ during the 1000 years. Once every case is decided they return as we see in Rev 20 and 21 "New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven" and the wicked surround the city.

Then all the wicked nations are judged by their deeds and cast into the lake of fire and brimstone.

That is all "rod of iron" activity and it encompasses all the wicked.

Thus as the OT writers state "I looked and I saw NO man". And the "hills moved to and fro" and the clouds blot out the sun and stars. All this happens during the millennium where the corpses are from one end of earth to the other - and no one is there to bury them.

Once the "First resurrection" of Rev 20:1-5 is accepted as the point where the "Dead in Christ rise FIRST" in 1Thess 4- this all fits perfectly.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Millennium – a time without a single human remaining alive. Not a glorious place to live - but a
place where birds feeding on rotting corpses of mankind. And yet it is temporary – only lasting for 1000 years.

This feast of the birds we see described again in Rev 19 where the lamb destroys certain of mankind


Rev 19
20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
21 And the rest were killedwith the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh



Ez 32:4-8
4 ""I will leave you on the land; I will cast you on the open field. And I will cause all the birds of the heavens to dwell on you, And I will satisfy the beasts of the whole earth with you.
5 ""I will lay your flesh on the mountains And fill the valleyswith your refuse.
6 ""I will also make the land drink the discharge of your blood As far as the mountains, And the ravines will be full of you.
7 ""And when I extinguish you, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud And the moon will not give its light.
8 ""All the shining lights in the heavens I will darken over you And will set darkness on your land,'' Declares the Lord GOD.



Jer 4:23
I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void; And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, And all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.

26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were pulled down Before the LORD, before His fierce anger.



Jer 25:33
""Those slain by the LORD on that day will be from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be lamented, gathered or buried; they will be like dung on the face of the ground.


] Zeph 1:18
Neither their silver nor their gold Will be able to deliver them On the day of the LORD'S wrath; And all the earth will be devoured In the fire of His jealousy, For He will make a complete end, Indeed a terrifying one, Of all the inhabitants of the earth.

Isaiah 24
1 Behold, the LORD lays the earth waste, devastates it, distorts its surface and scatters its inhabitants.
2 And the people will be like the priest, the servant like his master, the maid like her mistress, the buyer like the seller, the lender like the borrower, the creditor like the debtor.
3 The earth will be completely laid waste and completely despoiled, [/quote]


It is obviously a World Wide Calamity – World Wide catastrophe

Isaiah 24
17 Terror and pit and snare Confront you, O inhabitant of the earth.
18 Then it will be that he who flees the report of disaster will fall into the pit, And he who climbs out of the pit will be caught in the snare; For the windows above are opened, and the foundations of the earth shake.
19 The earth is broken asunder, The earth is split through, The earth is shaken violently.
20 The earth reels to and fro like a drunkard And it totters like a shack, For its transgression is heavy upon it, And it will fall, never to rise again.
21 So it will happen in that day, That the LORD will punish the host of heaven on high, And the kings of the earth on earth.

 

This is what happens at the rapture.

As Matt 24 points out - the time when God "gathers his elect from the four corners of the earth" is "immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days".

As 1Thess 4 points out "The dead in Christ rise FIRST"

As Rev 20:4-5 points out "The FIRST resurrection" takes place at the Rev 19-20 second coming "event".

That means that the saints are taken to heaven with Christ -and by Christ at the Rapture which happens at the Rev 19 second coming where as Jesus said in John 14 "IF I GO away I will come AGAIN and receive you unto Myself that WHERE I am THERE you may be also".

The wicked are all destroyed according to Rev 19 "The REST" (those not slain in the army that fights against Christ) are "killed by the sword that comes from His mouth" - the WORD of God.

in Christ,

Bob

 

I admit that I see no reference at all in Isaiah 2 to the 1000 years.

Isaiah lived at the time of the Babylonian captivity for Israel. FUTURE to Isaiah's day there would be a restoration - the Jews would be set free from captivity. It did happen. Everyone agrees.

And had they been faithful to God in doing that - their future would have been very different.

Dan 2 says nothing about a future restoration for Israel after the cross.

Romans 9 says that all of the glorious promises given to Israel are now given to the church. They will be fulfilled for us when the saints come back to earth as Rev 20 and 21 depicts. Until the second coming you have the Dan 7 - persecuted church model which is an expansion on Daniel 2.

The model you are using has no place for the OT text on the millennium where the earth is brought back to a somewhat "Formless and void" state.

in Christ,

Bob

 

The Babylonian captivity was only a small fraction of the total devastation predicted during the millennium by Jeremiah.

Jer 4:23
I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void; And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, And all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.

26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness, And all its cities were pulled down Before the LORD, before His fierce anger.



Jer 25:33
""Those slain by the LORD on that day will be from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be lamented, gathered or buried; they will be like dung on the face of the ground.

The "Earth was not formless and void" during Babylonian captivity or Roman captivity.

The slain by the Lord was NOT "from one end of the earth to the other" in Babylonian captivity just as the flood was not a local flood - that "covered the earth".

The dead that were slain at the captivity - were buried.

During the millennium they are not. There is no one here to do it.

The Romans did cause local destruction - but they did not make the earth "formless and void" and the bodies were not "From one end of the earth to the other" and the bodies in that local area - were buried.

The millennial fulfillment will be equal to or greater than the statements in Jeremiah.

2300 years (in the day year model) of Daniel 8 will be a new thread. Good subject.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Hello again Trevor.

The restoration of Israel out of Babylonian and Persian captivity was future to both Isaiah and to Micah.

The coming of the Messiah mentioned in Dan 9 would have been after the restoration of Israel from Babylonian captivity and had the Jews accepted their Messiah a glorious future did await them.

The prophecy of Is 2 does look forward to full restoration from Babylonian captivity since that is what is on the horizon.

However Micah 4:1 is speaking of the destruction of all the wicked on the entire planet - as we see in Rev 20 and the lake of Fire.

And Micah 4:5-6 speaks of the coming of Elijah which Christ said in Mark 9:11-13 and in Matt 11:13-14 was ministry of John the baptizer in Christ's day.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Hello again - TrevorL

At the Rev 19-20 return of Christ the "dead in Christ" are raised first at the "First resurrection" just as 1Thess 4 states.

After the Millennium in Rev 20 the wicked are raised in what has to be the 2nd resurrection.

I think everyone would agree that after the Lake of Fire event in Rev 20 - there can be no more war.

And I think everyone would agree that the wicked surrounding the city of the saints at the end of the 1000 years - is an act of war.

Thus the part of Isaiah 2 that might not apply to the future return from Babylon -- 'no more wars on all of planet earth" would certainly apply to the time after the millennium even in your model.

The debated point is whether or not it is pointing to something being on earth during the Millennium and not at the future-to-Isaiah-and-his-readers return of Judah out of Babylon.

in Christ,

Bob

 

First of all it was indeed my mistake in reading Malachi 4 but writing about Micah 4.

Both Isaiah and Micah are contemporaries and are writing before the restoration of Israel out of Babylonian captivity.

http://www.bible-stories-library.com/prophets-of-the-bible.shtml

http://www.oldtestamenthistorytimeline.com/

So with both of those authors writing before Babylonian captivity even begins and predicting not only captivity but also return from captivity it would be hard to find a reference for "return from captivity" that was millennial and after the 2nd coming instead of the next - return from captivity.

Given that Israel is not in captivity even today - it would be hard to make the case.

I tend to take into account the fact that some of these prophets are writing before Israel has come out of captivity AND before they rejected the Messiah. Thus they did have a future return from captivity ahead of them and they did have their long promised coming Messiah ahead of them.

There was every reason for the prophets to get them to focus on such items of good news.

The "Regathering" from Babylon was in the form of the captors allowing Judah to leaven. That already happened.

Neither Micah nor Isaiah doom Israel to rejecting her Messiah and John the baptizer makes this clear in his message to Israel at the time of Christ.

They all all Israel to repent - and to accept the Messiah and none of them promise God's blessing while in rebellion.

All the prophets from Moses on are pretty clear that continued rebellion will not bring blessing and restoration.

Micah begins in chapter 1 telling Judah that rebellion will not bring blessing.

The idea that rebellion brings blessing is foreign to the context that Micah sets.

The same can be found in Micah 2

The idea that rebellion brings destruction is all through Micah.

in Micah 3 - he reminds them that rebellion only brings destruction - not blessing.

Malachi 3 ends with a curse - that is pronounced because of rebellion

All this would happen of course during Babylonian captivity. But the good news is that men such as Daniel, and Ezra and Nehemiah would be raised up to lead the people in repentance, revival and reformation and so - out of Babylonian captivity.

It is the same thing in Isaiah 1 - where Isaiah says God will not hear their prayers and will find their worship services to be an abomination because "I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly".

In Isaiah 1 the only door back - is via repentance and returning to God.

Just as we see in Joel 1 and 2.

In Micah 4 we have hope and a view of the future restoration of Israel that would follow Babylonian captivity and is brought about due to the prayers of confession and repentance while in captivity as we see in Dan 9:1-12.

Michah 4 says nothing about Judah being blessed or restored in a state of rebellion against God.

Ezek 1-24 is all about condemnation, punishment and judgment brought upon Israel for rebellion against God.

Ezek 18 makes it very clear that the one who sins - dies without exception.

Ezek 36 then looks to future restoration after Babylonian captivity - and shows the revival, reformation, spiritual purity goes hand in hand with restoration.

Paul says in Romans 2 that when Israel lives in rebellion against God and is blessed - it is a cause of blasphemy against the name of God. Paul says the "name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you" .

Because they are sinning against God.

When God out of concern for His name restores them - he restores them as we see in the case of Daniel, Ezra, Nehemah - in repentance and revival, returning to God with all their heart. Not in open revolt and rebellion against God.

However when OT prophets speak of a the entiire earth destroyed - and "I looked and behold -there was no man" they speak of the millennium of Rev 20 where Christ killed all the wicked in Rev 19, and takes all the saints (which includes saved Jews) to heaven as in 1Thess 4 - leaving the earth empty.

in Christ,

Bob