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    Was listening to a WOTM radio podcast and heard some Hyper Calvinist whom were calling on open condemnation on certain types of sinners that I am not allowed to mention here. They were calling on the open stoning of such persons, and were openly targeting such types. These "so called" street evangelists were not a part of Fred Phelps rag tag bunch, but yet another hyper group gone wild. What saddened me was how they would target certain types of sinners and ignore other sinners. Such antics are truly nothing but Hyper Calvinist in nature. WinMan or another Arminian may claim that Hyper and Biblical Calvinism are one and the same but this is completely false!

    http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/hypercal.htm



    I have had debates with some of these extremists on FB and they are impossible to persuade. God does love the non-elect, however his love for the elect is greater, but He does desire to save sinners from the fire. The doctrine of common grace applies to all mankind and not just the elect.

    The Hyper Calvinist open air preacher loves to tell people that God hates them. The Hyper Calvinist is very judgmental and oftentimes will never pray, or pass out a tract, because the Hyper Calvinist does not desire all men to repent (1 Pet 3:9) but desires God to punish and burn people in the fire. The Hyper Calvinist has little if any love.

    The difference between me and the Hyper Calvinist is that I preach God's love, but also his judgment and his wrath. Only the elect will respond to salvation (Acts 13:48, Romans 9:11, 15-16) but God desires repentance for all of mankind.

    More websites
    http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/reformed-theology-vs-hyper-calvinism/
    http://www.corkfpc.com/hypercalvinism.html --- Hyper Calvinism and evangelism
    http://www.trinity-baptist-church.com/diff6.shtml
     
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    You are conflating things e. What you heard on the radio podcast are things that other groups who are called hyper-Calvinists would repudiate. You are too quick to broadbrush things. You have that bad habit.

    For instance the Gospel Standard folks of the UK would be aghast at the antics of whoever you heard --stoning people? Come on. Folks may rail against hyper-Calvinism is -- but what you heard has nothing to do with them.
     
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    Are you saying these were not Hyper-Calvinist?

    Check out the episode

    http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/...ecial-way-of-the-master-flashback-365268.html
     
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    Hyper Calvinist open air preachers?!?
     
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    and, YOU, compared to them (I did not make this differentiation, YOU did), are the epitome of what God wants preachers to be. You hold the key to what the doctrine of grace really means, and you do not ever make the mistake that these "hyper-Calvinists" do, in any way, shape, or form.
    when God poured out His grace, He made sure you had it all.
    wow.
     
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    I have said it before.... hubris (particularly theological) often runs amok.
     
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    Good idea is to watch out for "hyper" anything.
     
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    There ya go! :thumbsup:
     
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    "The exact contrary of what is generally believed is often the truth." Jean De La Bruyere
     
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    I had forgotten what a great scene and movie that was.
    
 
    
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    Simple.... we got a brudder here who knows everything .... from where (Books & Web Sites)
						
     
    
					
    
				
    

				
			
    
			

			

			
    

				

		

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						A testimony I just received on a social networking site from a Hyper-Calvinist.
    

    




    
	

    God can change the heart of the Hyper-Calvinist. It is not me to say if they are not saved as only God knows, but no doubt their theological is completely backwards.
						
     
    
					
    
				
    

				
			
    
			

			

			
    

				

		

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    I am far from perfect in reality. Ray Comfort is a better preacher than me so listen to Him. But even he is not God as the example is Jesus that we will follow. Jesus showed LAW to the proud and Grace to the Humble so many times. The Rich Young Ruler and the Woman at the well were proud and He used the law with them. Zachias was humble and he got grace. He offered to repay back those whom he had wronged. Nicodemus as well was humble and he got grace. 
    

    
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    Looks to me like yore talking to a very confused individual. Dont see the relevance of the post.
						
     
    
					
    
				
    

				
			
    
			

			

			
    

				

		

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     Some place great emphasis on theological reasoning.  As Spurgeon pointed out, they see one truth and that is all they can see.  Perhaps this is the only way that they can understand the gospel – I don’t know.  But I do know this – whether we are Calvinists, Arminians, or hold a theological system not of Calvinistic trajectory, when we place that theological understanding as central to the gospel we become barriers to some and dogmatic enablers to others.  Christ (not God’s Sovereignty, not human responsibility, not the extent of the atonement) is the center of the gospel, and it is upon that stage that the evangelist should direct attention.
    

    

    
  I’m not saying that there is no value in the debate or nothing to be learned in discussing these issues.  These discussions, however, belong to the church and not the world (they are appropriate here, but not on the street).  The majority of Christians do not have an opinion on “Calvinism” and among those that do there is no consensus.  
    
  I was saved apart from a “Calvinistic” understanding of salvation.  There was a time when I would have considered myself moderately Armininian.  But you know what, my understanding of the Gospel of Jesus Christ was unaltered by my change in understanding.  My understanding is “Calvinistic”-  not because I was taught by Calvinists (although I learned much from both camps) but because I studied to defend and justify the beliefs that I held (and found some of my beliefs unjustifiable).  
    

    

    

    
  Anyone who shifts their theological understanding to the position that Christ should hold, IMHO, is a “hyper” something.  You mentioned on another post that I am a “moderate Calvinist.”  (I’m not sure why the “moderate,” but you are right that my views are “Calvinistic”).  Although I hold “Calvinistic” views, I do not consider myself a Calvinist.  For me, this would be placing my understanding of the Father’s plan and the nature of man in the place of Christ.  The argument is important, and it does affect the way we see things, but it is secondary to the gospel of Christ.  It is that gospel, not my theology,  that forms my identity.
						
     
    
					
    
				
    

				
			
    
			

			

			
    

				

		

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    I liked the way you presented that...just so you know,  we "old schoolers" put our complete faith & trust in Jesus Christ.
						
     
    
					
    
				
    

				
			
    
			

			

			
    

				

		

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I agree with you 100% I always dodge people whom want to debate theology on the streets. I have dodged Hyper-Calvinist, Hyper-Dispensationalist, and a bunch of others. I only will debate if the person claims to be Christian, but has another gospel, such as the Boston Church of Christ whom believe that water baptism is required for salvation.
						
     
    
					
    
				
    

				
			
    
			

			

			
    

				

		

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    As do I. I never once said that Arminian are not saved.
						
     
    
					
    
				
    

				
			
    
			

			

			
    

				

		

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    First of all, there is no such thing as "Biblical Calvinism", Calvinism teaches the exact opposite of what scripture says over and over again, regeneration preceding faith being a glaring example for starters. 
    

    
I actually have much respect for Hyper-Calvinists because they are brutally honest and consistent with the logical conclusions of Calvinism. In fact, early Hyper-Calvinists were often called "Consistent Calvinists". "Moderate" Calvinists are inconsistent and embarrassed by their own doctrine. I have said this for years here on BB. 
    

    
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    This statement is misleading, because moderate Calvinists talk out of both sides of their mouth. They say God ordains everything that comes to pass, yet God does not ordain evil. This is double-talk and nothing but a contradiction. 
    

    
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    Hyper-Calvinism is simply consistent Calvinism. I completely disagree with this system, but I have far more respect for it than sissy "moderate" Calvinism.
						
     
    
					
    
				
    

				
			
    
			

			

			
    

				

		

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