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  1. Stegley

    Stegley New Member

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    1Corinthians 4:20, "The kingdom of God is not in word, but in power."

    Today's chatting and sharing within The Church never slows down. Each Sunday service is marvelously replete with the attendant Preacher sharing along side God's Word his personal ideas, hopes, feelings, fears, visions, anecdotes, speculations, interpretations, and declarations of how things seem to be, all with the intent of increasing the spirituality and awareness of his pewsitters. And, any well trained Preacher in faithful service to his Lord will always at some points loudly spout some verbatim Scripture. This routine of verbalized sermons presented by salary retained Professional Church Talkers is largely a pointless failure.

    Here is why:

    1.) The sermons are powerless, as evidenced because a week or two the vast number of listeners will have no memory of the sermons.

    2.) Jesus never spouted upon any given topic for 40-50 minutes, trying to deliver a highly leveraged sales pitch. He merely stated axiomatic facts, illustrated them with parables, with irrefutable logic, with The Torah, and with miracles, then let His listeners take it or leave it. He did not need to do a performance to get people to find a reason to come back.

    3.) The sermons require no work or investment by the listeners, far different than standard learning protochol in schools.

    4.) Modern sermons consist of undemonstrated verbation. Nothing happens but talk, not even in the shrieking Pentecostal church. Talk supplants deeds, and even worse, mental assent and intentions are called "committment," and "recommitting."

    5.) The constant emotional appeals by Preachers, with nonstop button pushing, hypnotic background music during the "alter call," brain rattling and mind numbing music during "worship," and threats of imminent unGodly death when out in the bad world all combine to vontrol defenseless and gullible listeners. The Preachers are trained in their schooling and internships to do all this.

    Jesus and The Apostles preached quite differently, and materially demonstrated what they taught, even unto martyrdom. Not today in America's consumer church, perpetuated by the Preachers who only talk.
     
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    Too many words? We tried telepathy once but it didn't go over very well. What would you suggest as an alternative method of communication?
     
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    1. Quote your source.
    2. If its yourself, demonstrate your omniscience and omnipresence.

    Stop your arrogance.
     
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  4. Stegley

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    The Scriptural example is small home churches, local control with no denominations, traveling apostolic and prophetic people, and everything low budget.
     
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  5. Stegley

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    Do you visit many churches? It is a real eye opener for many reasons. What you need to do is get out more often, and do your own investigation of primary reality rather than trying to second guess me, and rather than thinking reported statistics serve God's Kingdom.

    Lol. Let's make a deal. I will stop being arrogant if you will stop being ignorant. Sound good?
     
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    If you're intending to argue toward a home church perspective (and you may not be, but I have debated with those advocating this before and they use the same arguments), just want to say I don't find the idea of a home church in any way objectionable. In fact I thought those advocating this brought up some valid points. But neither am I persuaded that traditional churches are inherently wrong.
     
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    Stegley

    1Corinthians 4:20, "The kingdom of God is not in word, but in power."

    Here is why:

    If this happens it is because it was not a God called man in the pulpit,and many in the pew are at ease in Zion.


    No one knows the time of any sermons.

    correct...no sales pitch


    ok

    Wrong...Jesus taught them to take heed how they hear...He required diligence in the listener.

    This does happen ...but not in all churches.
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    not in all places...just the mega churches.


    again...not everywhere.
     
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    The rebellious home church movement always exaggerates their characterizations of the traditional church because otherwise they have no leg to stand on.
     
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  9. DHK

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    You shouldn't open yourself up like that, or at least check my profile.
    I am a missionary. I have traveled, by car, from the Atlantic to the Pacific (both in Canada and the U.S.) visiting Baptist churches all throughout. I did that shortly after we were married raising up support as a missionary. I spoke in hundreds of churches and have spoken in hundreds of more since. I serve in a mission field half way around this world and in many small churches there. I started many of them. I am sure that I have been to places where you would not go. I venture into Islamic nations and serve there. I go where God leads me.

    Now, who is the ignorant one? Stop being so arrogant!
     
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    Now about that list. I am still waiting.
     
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    " Does Effective Teaching Take Place Using Only Words?"

    No. Someone that does not walk in the dunamis, can only give lots of head knowledge that feeds the intellect but not the spirit. It's why a person that attends one of these types cannot remember much about a sermon or Sunday school lesson.

    The listener needs confirmation that a teacher knows what they are talking about, and that God speaks through them.

    No matter how many verses quoted, without demonstration there will always be a question in the listeners mind, and it undermines the teacher effectiveness and confidence.

    A preacher not walking in the power will continually question whether or not God called him, whether or not they like to admit it.

    A church that does not live in the power will use fleshly methods to entertain, pacify, and grow.

    The fig tree had it's leaves in the early spring. Leaves are a sign of fruit. But when Jesus found the tree had no fruit, He cursed it.

    It had the appearance, but no fruit.
    Same with a teacher, preacher, church.
     
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    That is not what Stegely is saying. He is saying that he can do greater works that Christ can do, and then applying that to miracles.
    If that is true then he should be able to walk on water, feed 5,000 with just a couple of fishes and a few loaves of bread, turn water into wine, calm the seas with a spoken word, raise the dead, etc. Can he do these miracles? Can he do greater miracles than these? He has made this claim. Let him demonstrate it.
     
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  13. Stegley

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    Yes, I do observe and agree you are accurately expressing and depending upon your own thoughts and understanding of this topic.
     
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    Jesus did not state that "taking heed how they hear" was the means of effectual learning. Do you actually think Jesus only talked in order to teach? Lol. Similar sounding words and phrases in the Bible should be read and understood within their purposed framework.

    Of course, Preachers are trained, certified, "called," and allowef to do whatever they happen to "feel what is best for the people."
     
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    The milque toast big churches in custom built facilities always have feelings of superiority, and deny the reality of what they arrogantly perpetuate having decades of flimsy results.
     
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    Thank you for sharing more of yourself, and your one dimensional understanding of Christendom through The Baptist Organization. Do you ever deign to step into other segments of The Church, away from the sole pillar of "Baptist," upon which the Gospel and The Kingdom are apparently founded?

    Let me know. BTW, I forgive you for being a Baptist, do you forgive me for being whatever you think I am? Lol. Be real, now. Jesus commands quick and complete forgiveness, or else you will go to Hell. See Matthew 6:14-15.
     
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    It would be wiser for you to wait on The Lord.

    Lol.
     
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    Scripture never speaks of anyone othet than Jesus and The Apostles having "anointed preaching."

    That is why Scripture is far more important than shrieking sermons and wild antics "In The Spee-Ritt!!"
     
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    I wait on the Lord frequently, do you?
    If you do wait on the Lord, and what you say is true, and not a farce you would be able to substantiate what you claim on this board. Can you do that?
     
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    Stephen wasn't an Apostle. Nowhere in Scripture is he referred to as an apostle.
    And yet the Bible says about Stephen:

    Acts 6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.

    Acts 6:15 And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel.

    Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
     
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