White house did not discuss isis strategy with pentagon prior to u.s.-led campaign

Pass the buckhouse.

Obama knew about the threat ISIS posed years prior to what is happening now. That would mean he knew even before he pulled out our troops. Then he delayed setting up a strategy to act and then he sent troops that were called anything but, boots on the ground, so as not to make it appear as if we were there to help fight ISIS.

And now this.

Two
More
Yearrrrs!

 

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement#cite_note-sofatext-1

 

And so tell me why you think this is relevant?

 

Nope. I think I'll pull a Revmitchell classic maneuver and disappear until everyone has forgotten about it instead. :laugh:

 

Again, it was a civil question. I will leave you to your misery.

 

One would hope, knowing what Obama allegedly knew about the pending threat of ISIS in 2011, that he would have sought to renew that agreement. For the sake of the Iraqi people at the very least.

Given when ISIS made their assault in Iraq it is reported that the Iraqi defense forces our troops trained while in country, ripped off their uniforms, dropped the weapons we supplied them with, and ran!
ISIS retrieved those weapons and pursued those fleeing men.
Now armed with our weapons and secure in their resolve they were ever more resolved in their mission to establish ISIS. (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria).

And now we see American's and Canadians are having their heads cut off. There is a woman in their custody also. They cut children in half.

Religion of peace.

Nothing communicates peace quite like decapitation.

 

You're good at leaving especially when asked to provide evidence to support your allegations. :smilewinkgrin:

 

I will answer this paragraph only, as it is the only one on topic. The rest is a completely different discussion, with old threads abounding about it.

In 2009, I was deployed to Iraq. January to December. Literally days short of the entire 2009. While I was there, we (America) almost pulled out completely because the SOFA renewal went south because the Iraqi president wanted jurisdiction over American forces. And we refused. Because the Iraqi president wouldn't sign off on a new agreement that didn't include the Iraqi government being able to try US military in court, we couldn't stay. He eventually did.

My point is, we left Iraq, and probably should have stayed, but couldn't.

I don't like Obama anymore than the next guy. But why must we always assume that what he does is wrong?

Edited to add: it was common knowledge that as soon as we pulled out, terrorists would take over. In 2009, I put out a report (can't share it here) that detailed the probability of almost exactly what is happening now. And I'm not even an Intel analyst. I'm a combat engineer who happened to be working in Intel as an IED consultant for half a deployment.

 

No doubt. Obama was correct in standing from on that, and the troop withdrawal is not on him. He's been against the war and is now saddled with it. There is no good decision, no way to please everyone.


The cynic in me wants to say he delayed the announcement of more troops until after the election.

 

And yet the funding and arming of the extremists in Libya and Syria that led to the creation of ISIS was a bipartisan effort all the way. Helped along by Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar.

It was John McCain and Lindsey Graham who led the charge to fund and arm these "freedom fighters" and congress approved time and again. ISIS rode into Iraq in brand new vehicles flush with Washington's funds. They were trained in Jordan by the CIA and sent into Syria through Turkey.

ISIS is our creation. Without our help they wouldn't even exist. The republicans are every bit as responsible for it's creation as the democrats.

I realize how much we all love to take sides and blame the other guy for everything but when it comes to foreign policy both sides are addicted to war. It makes some of them look like patriots and others like humanitarians. It makes a few rich at the expense of the many. And that's how the few want it to stay.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY&feature=youtu.be

 

Sounds like you've bought the World Socialists Web Site October propaganda article:
Biden’s admission: US allies armed ISIS

While Biden and what he actually said about such things is never sought out:
US VP Biden: We Couldn't Convince Our Mideast Allies to Stop Supporting Extremists in Syria

 

Poncho, as you know, it's just the historic cycle repeating itself. We armed ISIS. Just like we armed and trained the Taliban. Al Qaeda. The Mujahadeen. Etc.

We haven't learned our lesson yet.

 

Excellent, S.W..

 

Yes well the "R's" are back in the majority now for a minute. I expect the neocons who have been hiding behind the curtains of all the corporate sponsored think tanks will come out in full force now to convince the people that the enemies they helped create have to be defeated once and for all.

Of course the corporate media will do it's job to make us all afraid and hateful enough to consent to another episode of "let's kill our proxy armies before they kill us".

Surely the neocons and all their supporters will never acknowledge their folly in funding and arming these groups for their own agenda and political gain (more money, more power and more control) nor will they apologize for the indebtedness they've saddled our country with order to raise up then combat that which they have created.

We truly have the best enemies our money can buy.

I believe you are right. It's a shame we haven't learned our lesson and for the life of me I can't figure out why. It's such a simple concept to comprehend. We've been warned by great men for over two hundred years and have the written history of thousands of years and even the bible itself to guide us and teach us this simple lesson.

War is a racket. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0

It's to to wake up.