Featured Works based Salvation??

He wrote that line because that is the definition of Lordship Salvation. Be regenerated and do good works and when you die you will find out if you persevered to the end and were truly one of the elect.

 

It teaches what I described. If you don't think that is works based salvation that's your prerogative, but it sure sounds like it to me.

 

No that is your characterization of what he wrote.

 

Works may not save, but works show your faith.

” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my works. James 2:18b

You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. James 2:24

 

Those are both in James not 1 Timothy but you got the chapter and verse right.

 

Thanks for the correction. I appreciate it. I have corrected the mistake.

We cannot simply dismiss works as unnecessary. Saying I believe and have faith and doing nothing just won't make it with God.

 

On this you and I agree. I would add that our works need to be personally done. Not via the government. Supporting government wealth redistribution is not good works.

 

I agree, taken out of context it could lead to heresy. But taking verses about salvation and faith out of context could also lead to heresy.

 

I agree. I believe it would be a very rare instance where someone would deliberately preach or teach a heresy.

Years ago I heard a preacher say in a sermon, "A heresy is a wrong answer to a right question."

 

I agree.

Just like the mistaken, erroneous, near-heretical view that saving faith inevitably produces good works.

It comes from an out-of-context reading of James 2:14-26, which ignores the reminders of a believer's coming judgment (found in 2:12-13 & 3:1)

Such a tragedy

 

IF he was trying to support the LS position though, an extreme view of that would seem to indicate that we must have sufficient good works to support a real salvation!

 

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If someone misunderstands James 2:14-26 as relating to "saved" from hell, how can there HONESTLY be anything other than an extreme view? All other views would take a half-hearted approach.

 

How can you come to that conclusion from James 2?

v 14 - What if a man says he has faith, but has no works? Can that faith save him?
v 24 - You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone.

There's no hint of any "fruit" teaching here. Misunderstanding "saved" and "justified" in this chapter has led to almost every manner of dancing around, trying to squeeze this into Paul's teaching that a man is justified by faith WITHOUT works.


Understanding the context clears up all the conflict

Otherwise, we can believe those who make up doctrine to relieve tension. Protestants are good at that

 

Really? In the last 2,000 years, can you point to heresies that were borne of merely being zealous yet misguided? On the contrary, the history of the Church proves just the opposite. Heresy is intentional.