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Can I go with All of the Above?

 

I'm going with day He died. I think God the Father agrees.

Philippians 2:8-9 NIV
And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross! Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

Paul states that IF Chrsit was not raised, NOTHING else would have mattered though!

No resurrection of jesus, no salvation to any sinner!

 

What Paul takes for granted as conditional and axiomatic a priori for this "presentation" by God of Christ, was : "Christ..." THE RISEN LORD, "as Sacrifice" RAISED UP from the dead.

"If Christ was not raised you are in your sins still" and lost due to a ---God forbid--- useless and failed attempt of Him to save us

 

Not so.

Jesus (nevertheless) would still have been born; would (despite) have been crucified and (as inevitable result) would still have died ---would, God forbid, have died an imposter and trickster.

Shame on the bare thought or supposition! Anathema!

 

You know where this idea comes from?

From taking Jesus for an Arminian free-will-enslaved.

Yes, Jesus was the Obedient Servant of his own and his Father's sinless Divine will and nature. The 'Arminian free will' is another matter altogether, of course.

 

"If Jesus gave them rest there therefore remains the Sabbath Day's rest for the People of God.

Now rose Christ not He therefore would not have given them rest and there therefore would not have remained for the People of God a Sabbath Day's rest to observe.

Now you must watch the SDAs scrabble in every direction and dimension unknown and unthinkable in any dimension of reality.

 

...a more 'academic' redaction of the usual SDA version of how Jesus' resurrection was only an unavoidable half-way stop on his way to his Father in heaven for approval of his sacrifice and permission to enter into the 'heavenly sanctuary' to begin his work ---mind you--- at first as ordinary priest in 'the first apartment'.

Can it be more bizarre?!

 

Hey brother Salty, I would like to know if I read your statement right, and please take no offense, for I only mean to ask for clarification at this moment, though we could always prayerfully study it out in another thread. Can you let me know if you truly meant to say Christ Jesus died on "thursday", or if it was a slip of thought or typo?

But if not a slip of thought or typo, may I ask, where did you get that idea from (for it could not have been from the Bible originally, but had to come through a presentation first, no offense, just experience, but I will take the word of your response as you give if so)?, was it from listening to brother Sam Gip (God bless him) and his King James Bible meetings? If so, brother Gip would be incorrect on that specific point in several ways, prophetically, typologically (and this is demonstrable from the Scripture itself), and historically, among more means, though I do not want to take up that demonstration in this thread, as it would not be fair to brother BobRyan. I am just looking for clarification only, ok brother Salty?

I might ask in The Great Question thread on the matter of the "it" that was "finished" by Jesus, for it seems too many do not actually know for certainty, from the Bible, what the "it" was, demonstrably, though there is much speculation and Scripture thrown about.

 

The Greek says 'tetelestai' = "FINISHED". No 'it' as required in English.

Christ "TRIUMPHED IN IT" says Colossians 2:15. He triumphed "in the circumcision of Him" which was his suffering of dying the death of death wherein "we were co CRUCIFIED together with Him", in his "Baptism" with a 'baptism' again, of SORROW AND SUFFERING wherein He TRIUMPHED AND DESTROYED THE LAST ENEMY DEATH WITH DEATH AND RESURRECTION FROM DEATH.

 

I am going to disagree with you on the latter point, even as the Scripture of 1 Corinthians 15:25-26 reveals, the future destruction of death, which is revealed in Revelation 20, Isaiah 24-25 and elsewhere.

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 1 Cor 15:25

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 1 Cor 15:26

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:14

So, I will also disagree with you brother Gerhard Ebersoehn, on the point of the Greek in John 19:30, even as it is translated into the English. Consider so many actual Bible translators and Bible scholars in how they understand it, see it and so render it over the years. Some of these were great men used of God:

Wycliffe Translation:
30 Therfor whanne Jhesus hadde `takun the vynegre, he seid, It is endid. And `whanne his heed was bowid doun, `he yaf vp the goost.

German Luther Bible:
19:30 Da nun Jesus den Essig genommen hatte, sprach er: Es ist vollbracht! und neigte das Haupt und verschied.

Tyndales Bible:
30 Assone as Iesus had receaved of the veneger he sayd: It is fynesshed and bowed his heed and gaue vp the goost.

Geneva Translation Bible:
30 Now when Jesus had received of the vinegar, he said, It is finished, and bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

New International Version
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Douay-Rheims + Challoner Notes Bible Translation:
[30] Jesus therefore, when he had taken the vinegar, said: It is consummated. And bowing his head, he gave up the ghost.

Latin Vulgate Latin Translation:
[30] Cum ergo accepisset Jesus acetum, dixit: Consummatum est. Et inclinato capite tradidit spiritum.

New Living Translation
When Jesus had tasted it, he said, "It is finished!" Then he bowed his head and released his spirit.

English Standard Version
When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

King James Bible
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
When Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" Then bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

International Standard Version
After Jesus had taken the wine, he said, "It is finished." Then he bowed his head and released his spirit.

NET Bible
When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said, "It is completed!" Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
When he took the vinegar, Yeshua said, “Behold, it is finished.” And he bowed his head and gave up his Spirit.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
After Jesus had taken the vinegar, he said, "It is finished!" Then he bowed his head and died.

Jubilee Bible 2000
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished, and he bowed his head and gave the Spirit.

King James 2000 Bible
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.

American King James Version
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

American Standard Version
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.

Darby Bible Translation
When therefore Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished; and having bowed his head, he delivered up his spirit.

English Revised Version
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.

Webster's Bible Translation
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and expired.

Weymouth New Testament
As soon as Jesus had taken the wine, He said, "It is finished." And then, bowing His head, He yielded up His spirit.

World English Bible
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished." He bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.

Young's Literal Translation
when, therefore, Jesus received the vinegar, he said, 'It hath been finished;' and having bowed the head, gave up the spirit.

etc, etc.

The word in Greek, as you, brother, rightly pointed out is:

τετελεσταιG5055 V-RPI-3S

Tense: perfect - describes a present state resulting from a finished action

Voice: Passive - declares that the subject of the verb is receiving an action acted by another.

Mood: Indicative - declares is doing something, thus "is" is needful to be supplied in the English as it is represented in the Greek Tense, Voice and Mood.

Person: third - Please take notice of the 'third person' (he/she/it/they/them) here, not first person (I/me/we/us), nor second person (you).

Number: Singular - thus singular, is not plural (they/m, their/s), thus the word "it" is needfully to be supplied in the English, and is seen in the Greek numeric.

See also Luke 12:50:

But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! G5055

"εωςG2193 ADV ουG3739 R-GSM τελεσθηG5055 V-APS-3S "

See also Luke 18:31, 22:37 and so on.

As was stated, many bring all manner of passages and speculation, but do not truly understand what was there "finished", as it is written, and so it affects a great deal more as can be later shown.

Though I do not desire to derail this thread, and so I will leave this as my last comment upon this reply.

 

I don't believe Jesus died on Friday ( Freya's Day).

He might have died on Wednesday or Thursday, and might have been resurrected in the late afternoon on Saturday, and He and His Resurrection were known to the women early in the morning of Sunday ( Matt 28:1, Mark 16:9)

I don't believe Jesus was born around Christmas at all.


Eliyahu

 

God bless you, Eliyahu. May He bring you to full assurance.

 

Hello brother Eliyahu. I am finding a lot of persons these days (even as several others I have noticed adhering to on these forums already) are following in the same line of thought in regards the last week of Jesus, in His crucifixion, death, burial, resurrection and ascension(s).

The study of the Scriptures in this matter has been rather light-hearted, and not in full, and therefore, many are coming to an incorrect conclusion, either from their own personal studies, or from various authors, presentations and what not.

A thorough comparison of the texts, especially that of the Gospels is needful. Once this is done, the evidence in those text is overwhelming, and there can be no other position had once the light of them is known.

As for the December 24-25th, that is indeed not the actual birthdate of Christ Jesus, for a thorough study of the Scriptures, would reveal a birthdate around, what we would call 'September-October-ish', due to the information given in the Scriptures. This too could be demonstrated if allowed to do so.

I would only ask for open Scriptures, and prayerful hearts unto God for all that is Truth, therein those pages, even if what we may have held to is incorrect. Far better to have the Truth, for error cannot ever sanctify. As a more personal note, I have had to give up many errors, but I cherish and love the Truth. Truth is far sweeter, than any counterfeit or imitation.

If brother BobRyan would not mind, I would like to address either the first, second or both in this thread, but only with permission of brother BobRyan.

Will you allow me to address this topic here brother BobRyan? Or would you prefer another topic started instead on them? I do not want to derail your thread, nor desire to be rude. Please let me know, thank you, for until I hear from you, I will not further address it here.