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Obama’s pathetic failure to transform … anything

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  1. carpro

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    http://nypost.com/2015/12/02/obamas-pathetic-failure-to-transform-anything/


    Obama’s pathetic failure to transform … anything

    Poor President Obama. All he wanted was to be a transformational figure. Instead, he’ll be merely a transitional one.

    For all the talk about Obama’s grand ambitions to remake the country in his image, current events make it crystal clear his role is as a placeholder.

    Both Obama and first lady Michelle had set out to address their lukewarm feelings toward America-as-it-is by creating an America-as-it-ought-to-be.

    “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America,” then-Sen. Obama said in late October 2008. Earlier that year, Michelle caused a stir by insisting, “We’re going to have to change our traditions, our history. We’re going to have to move into a different place as a nation.”

    But events this week will likely cement the Obama presidency as one in which the leader of the Free World was barely able to tread water, let alone usher in dramatic change.
     
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  2. matt wade

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    Wait...I thought he transformed the country into something terrible? A place where terrorism runs rampant and racial tension is higher than ever?

    Are we now saying he didn't transform the country?
     
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    "Meanwhile, the real focus of the West’s new war effort is Syria, where ISIS is strongest. Syria poses the greatest threat in terms of terrorist recruiting, training and planning. Whether you consider the Syria escalation to be a new theater in an old war or a new war itself, Obama’s decisions at every stage have ensured he won’t oversee the end of this one.

    Speaking of Obama’s new wars and of ISIS — how’s post-Khadafy Libya? In a word, terrible. And it’s not just about Benghazi.

    The resulting anarchy from the president’s half-hearted regime-decapitation there left Libya as a source of weapons for other conflicts, such as the one in Mali, and as a place to incubate a range of terrorists — including ISIS."
     
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    Wouldn't the "resulting anarchy" mean he was able to transform something?
     
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    If I said something negative about that America and US Constitution hating fascist people would then say I'm racist...
     
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    "Take the announcement that we’ll be sending a “specialized expeditionary targeting force” to Iraq to contain ISIS.

    It seems the days of even pretending we won’t put “boots on the ground” against the Islamic State are over. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said so unequivocally on Tuesday: “We’re doing a lot from the air, but there are, by the way, boots on the ground.”

    Yes, there are. And there will likely be a lot more
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    Hey, if that’s what Obama thinks is the right course of action, good for him for finally coming around and breaking his millionth promise. But it’s worth wondering what happened to the Obama who liked to say, “I was elected to end wars, not start them.”

    On that front, as Ed Koch might’ve said, how’s he doin’? Not great. Sending troops back into Iraq means he was unable to make good on the one vow that was most responsible for his national political career.

    He never ended the Iraq war, of course; he simply tried to end US involvement in it. And he failed."
     
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    That's really a dumb post.

    In your zeal to discredit the OP, for whatever reason, the only thing you have succeeded in discrediting so far, is yourself.

    Face it. We have a failed president. He has failed every American, but most of all himself. And in failing himself, he did the country a favor.
     
  8. matt wade

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    No, the point is that you can't have it both ways. You can't say that he is merely transitional as a President and then also say that he has driven this country to the lowest points in it's history.

    I personally think he's a horrible President. Didn't vote for him, never would. The level of hate some of you display towards him however is completely out of line. Disagree with him politically, but is there really a need to sling mud every single minute of the day? Our country need to get past the constant mud slinging and start worrying about what OUR candidate can do that is GOOD rather than what the other guy does that is bad. That's the problem with Trump..he's a mud slinger through and through.
     
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    Yes, I can. Most presidents are transitional. The only truly transformative president we have had in the last generation has been Ronald Reagan. Obama has done nothing but harden the differences that separate us as a people. He "transformed" nothing.
     
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    Another case of Obama being in an impossible situation.

    Air strikes are not enough so he his failing.

    or

    Sending more SF to support the ground = breaking a promise.

    There is no way for him to win this one.

    So what action could he possibly take that wouldn't result in mudslinging. You see, nobody really cares about the proper action he can take. It's about how they can make him look bad. That is the very definition of having it both ways.
     
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    Right.

    And that's his fault. Nobody elses. Someone else will have to clean up his mess.
     
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    So there is no possible action that would satisfy you. That is the response of a morally bankrupt human being. What action would satisfy you...if there even is one.
     
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