1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

U.S. Supreme Court green lights straight-party voting in Michigan

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Crabtownboy, Sep 9, 2016.

  1. Crabtownboy

    Crabtownboy Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2008
    Messages:
    18,441
    Likes Received:
    259
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The GOP keeps trying to throw up roadblocks to voting by minority groups and the courts keep shaping them down.

    From: http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ourt-michigan-straight-party-voting/89994972/

    The Supreme Court on Friday refused to allow Michigan to ban voters from casting straight-ticket ballots in the coming election after lower courts found the prohibition was likely to discriminate against African Americans and result in long lines at the polls.

    The justices declined to get involved in a political controversy that began when the state’s Republican leadership passed a bill to end 125 years of straight-ticket voting, which allows a voter to vote for all candidates of a desired party by taking a single action.
     
  2. StefanM

    StefanM Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2004
    Messages:
    7,333
    Likes Received:
    210
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I have no problem with banning straight party voting.

    I do think the longer lines, however, were significant and not sufficiently addressed.

    With sufficient numbers of extra polling locations and/or booths, then eliminating the practice doesn't seem like such a bad idea to me.

    Asking a person to vote for candidates individually is by no means undemocratic, but we must ensure that every person has a reasonable (i.e. not unnecessarily impeded by lines) chance to vote in a timely manner.
     
  3. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    Messages:
    25,823
    Likes Received:
    1,167
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Big deal. Straight party voting has been allowed for decades around the country. Democrats, who got it passed in Texas many years ago, loved it. Until the state turned red.:Biggrin
     
  4. StefanM

    StefanM Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2004
    Messages:
    7,333
    Likes Received:
    210
    Faith:
    Baptist
    I don't care about the practice, either. My only concern is the time in the voting line.

    I wouldn't have voted to change it, personally.
     
  5. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    Messages:
    25,823
    Likes Received:
    1,167
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Oh, there's no doubt the court's reasoning is specious with no basis in fact whatsoever, but that's what we expect out of our increasingly leftist court system. .But the fact is that straight party voting has been around for awhile.

    But I would like for the court to explain to me why they think African Americans are too stupid to to go through a ballot line by line. From a legal standpoint,The length of the voting lines should have no bearing on the decision. Freedom has a price. Standing in line to vote is a small one to pay.
     
  6. StefanM

    StefanM Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2004
    Messages:
    7,333
    Likes Received:
    210
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The first point is a concern. The rationale does seem a bit patronizing.

    Voting lines are a problem if they are disproportionately longer in certain areas. If everyone has a long line, fine. If only majority African-American districts have long lines, that's a problem. (The same would be true in reverse.) If lines are not proportionate, it raises the question of intentional voter suppression.
     
  7. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    Messages:
    25,823
    Likes Received:
    1,167
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Disagree on the lines part, from strictly a legal standpoint. Hate standing in line myself.

    Why would only majority African American districts have long lines if straight party voting were eliminated? To use your word, is this more of the same patronization? Why does the court believe African Americans lack the ability to read and comnprehend at the same rate other races do? Maybe the court could answer that one as well.
     
  8. StefanM

    StefanM Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2004
    Messages:
    7,333
    Likes Received:
    210
    Faith:
    Baptist
    My understanding is that there is a higher rate of utilization in these areas. Lines would lengthen because it takes longer to vote individually than a straight ticket, no matter who is voting.
     
  9. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    Messages:
    25,823
    Likes Received:
    1,167
    Faith:
    Baptist
    From a legal standpoint, that's an even worse reason for the decision. More polling stations are the solution if that's really a concern.
     
    #9 carpro, Sep 9, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2016
  10. StefanM

    StefanM Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2004
    Messages:
    7,333
    Likes Received:
    210
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Yes, but more polling stations didn't go along with the change, as I understand it.

    Regardless, disproportionate effect is typically justification to invalidate a law, even if the intent isn't to discriminate. The unintentional effects matter as much as the intentional effects.




    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
Loading...