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Can We Agree that Neither Calvinism/Arminianism is outright heresy?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Yeshua1, Jan 21, 2017.

  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    As some have seemed to make them!
     
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    It's gonna be awfully lonely in here. :)
     
  3. Yeshua1

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    Would think that thre would be at least one poste who showed make a visit here!
     
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  5. Yeshua1

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    Guess this means some look at either/both as heresy!
     
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    @Yeshua1 , is it too late to add a poll?

    A. I believe Arminianism is heresy.

    B. I believe Calvinism is heresy.

    C. I believe both Arminianism and Calvinism are heresies.

    D. I do not believe that either Arminianism or Calvinism are heresies.
     
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    "Heresy" means "divisive." A doctrine that divides. Calvinism and Arminianism are both divisive. They divide Truth from error. Right from wrong. Biblical from non-biblical.
     
  8. Yeshua1

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    Neither theology is a biblcal heresy though, as that would mean either was teaching another false Gospel!!
     
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    I think Yeshua 1 is asking if either of these doctrines in heresy in the sense that belief in one or other would lead to damnation.

    The answer is no. One is not required to be a theologian to be saved. To see oneself as a lost sinner and to turn from one's sins to trust in the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation is what is required.

    I have defended my understanding of Scripture robustly on this forum, but I try never to use the H word. In fact, the only real difference between the preaching of a Calvinist and an Arminian is that the latter will tell people that Christ died for them, and the former will tell them that Christ died for such as them. Please note that I am not speaking of Semi-Pelagians or Hyper-Calvinists; they are a different matter.

    The great crowd of Revelation 7 becomes neither bigger nor smaller whether one is an Arminian or a Calvinist. The crowd is so vast that no man can count it, so it's best not to try.
     
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    Perhaps the issue is what one is divided from. Is it a departure from a common set of beliefs within Christianity (we are tithers, y'all are free-givers, type of thing) or is it a departure from Christianity itself?

    I think perhaps this divide was what the Council tried to prevent as Van Brederode concluded Arminius’ position orthodox in that it was a difference of view that could coexist within Calvinism, and encouraged toleration. And, in true Calvinistic fashion, Gomarus defied the Court by publishing his speech, which prompted Arminius to do the same.
     
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    Just was seeing how many held to either as "The Gospel", as some seem to have suggested that here!
     
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    To those holding to ectreme views of either position, the other position would be deemed incorrectly as Heretical, correct?
     
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    I think this depends on how foundational they have made this position to their faith.
     
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    Those into Hyper Cal or Arm have chosen to make it all imortant to their faith!
     
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