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Featured Paul’s very clear warning about today’s #1 disastrous doctrine

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Samuels, Feb 21, 2017.

  1. Samuels

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    3? ... might as well do 3 more!
     
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    Jesus said that he will lose NONE saved by Him, was he wrong?
    Since he was/is God, his statement is true , so would have to understand all of your verses in a fashion different than you do!
     
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    Come to Him is not saved by Him.
    Maybe, "many are called but few are chosen" applies here.
     
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    Jesus said that ALL he saves he will keep saved, correct?
     
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    Show us the verse, and we can talk about it.

    Almost forgot ... the NT teaches that salvation is a process,
    which lasts until the end of one's life.


    And, as per usual, you've seen the verses that prove this!

    And, you continue to come back harassing people,
    whilst refusing to accept clear Scripture,
    whilst insisting on rejecting clear Scripture,
    etc.

    Everywhere I go ... so-called Christians insist on
    quoting their favorite OSAS verses whilst ignoring the anti-OSAS verses!


    How many years am I supposed to put up with this abomination?
     
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    John stated that we can KNOW that we NOW have eternal life, do you agree?
     
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    No verse yet ... the exact wording is important, not your remembrance of it.

    The ones who are FAITHFUL are practicing righteousness, and etc.
    These are the ones who know they have eternal life ...
    ('cause they assume they will continue ...and will not fall away,
    and will not draw back to perdition, and will not fall from grace, etc.)

    Dis reminds me of those friends of Paul, who he says,
    will NOT draw back to perdition (like some others have)
    ... as if he knows their future! ... see end of Hebrews 10
     
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    To Know Jesus is to have eternal life, and Romans 8 confirms that NONE who ever got saved can lose it!
     
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    There is no such thing as an anti-OSAS verse. There is only people who look to their own works to save them...something Paul condemned in his letter to the Galatians.
     
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    Or those who just refuse to accept that they really have no true free will!
     
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    Romans 8:
    13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die (spiritually, not physically);
    but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (see da red);
    14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

    Dis is just one of many dozens of warnings in the NT!
    Enjoyest thou it!
     
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    paul contrasted those dead in sins, in their flesh, and those made alive in the Spirit!
     
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    Oh, stop it....That's so bogus.
     
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    The truth of the scripture is bogus?
     
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    Samules;
    I have just a few questions That I would like your answer to. Have you ever lost your Salvation? If so then please explain how you got it back?
    MB
     
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    Congratulations! ... I can think of only one: Have you read and understood the OP?
     
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    Samuels, this is a good question.

    Have you ever lost your salvation?
     
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    Yes I have. Can you answer the questions I asked? You see there is one problem with loosing something that God Him self Keeps us from loosing. We all sin saved or not. We all tell little white lies and we all lust after what we don't already have. We aren't all thieves for instance but we want just like thieves. These things are sins. Maybe you could explain how you manage to not sin. I'd like to know the answer because I desire to be perfect too.
    MB
     
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    I see that you're a disciple of our one and only Yeshua.
    He doesn't pay attention to what I write either.
    Hundreds of time, I have written here ...
    repentance is there and waiting to take care of our sins!
    Jesus, Paul, and John wrote about this.
    The latter two were writing to the churches.
     
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    What does repentance look like, Samuels?
    Is it merely a prayer saying "Sorry, my bad"? Is it an action? If it's an action, how much of an action is required? Was Martin Luther repentant when he daily climbed the stairs on his knees while crying out for mercy (this was before his salvation)? Should Martin Luther have continued the behavior after conversion? Perhaps he was a wicked sinner when he said, "Whoever drinks beer, he is quick to sleep; whoever sleeps long, does not sin; whoever does not sin, enters Heaven! Thus, let us drink beer!"
    What must our repentance look like to have a shot at saving ourselves?
     
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