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I quite agree about the differences in the theologies of the Fathers, but one thing is certain: None of them held to PSA. People who support the...
Yes, I think you are right about Wesley's view. It was closer to Satisfaction than to PSA. But I don't hold to Satisfaction, either, which is a RC...
I am drawn to Anabaptist theology precisely because it is in line with the early church, and I'm talking about the churches of the first century...
I understand. I didn't think you were implying that. Here is a good brief treatment of it: http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_atone10.htm
For those who want to know the truth of what I'm saying without delving into scholarly works, just do a web search on the doctrine. It's easy to...
Scholars, 15 centuries of church history, the early church, and the scriptures disagree with you, which leaves you with the only ground to stand...
Van, thank you for your replies. Actually, the Free Will Baptists believe in PSA. I know their statement of faith just says substitutionary...
First, my reply to the bolded part of your post: That's what I have tried to do. As for my understanding of PSA, I understand it as it was...
Our little 167-year-old church recently closed its doors. I'd like to go to some church, but I can't go where PSA is preached, and I don't know of...
So, how can anyone hold a heretical position and not be a heretic? Come on, Rev, at least be honest.
Heresy is a departure from original doctrine. Therefore, PSA is heresy. So, based on that, all posts in favor of it should be deleted. But...
Derek Flood uses the words of the ECF to totally refute the claim that they held to PSA. Those who insist that they did are reading 16th century...
Is it necessary to believe in penal substitution and original sin in order to be a Baptist? Opinions, please.
So saying someone is a heretic is not name calling? And saying I have a reading comprehension issue is not an insult I suppose? Come on, Rev, try...
I thought you and I had gotten past this, but you revert to name calling. I figured it was just a matter of time. But since you want to go...
Here is an excellent article. I don't agree with everything he says, but he totally debunks the teaching that Satisfaction and PSA are apostolic...
Not hiding behind anyone. The articles I linked to examine those Fathers in depth and prove that they did not hold to PSA. Scholarship and...
I have no doubt that if Romanism and Protestantism were the only way to be Christian, if their atonement doctrines were the only ones, I could not...
The scriptures correctly rendered do not disagree with me. The correct translation is "expiation". The early church understood and thus did not...
My view ends up being neither the Catholic one nor the Protestant one. I believe these verses, and other scriptures, teach that we come to...