Are you a universalist or do you believe in limited attonement?

Or you have people who do not understand the fact that Christ died for the sins of the whole world.

Christ died for all... all were dead
Some came to Christ, some rejected Him.

That does not mean He did not die for them.

 

They go to hell for rejecting Christ... with their sins paid for.

 

Well, this is what I think. I posted it in the other thread but it was ignored.

Christ is the "passover" lamb that was told about in the OT. When the lamb was slain, the blood had to applied to the doorposts in order for death to pass by (salvation).

Now, Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, the true passover lamb. The sacrifice has been made, the Lamb has been slain, but His blood must be applied for salvation to take place.

Applying the blood to the doorposts in the OT required faith.

Applying the blood to our lives and our hearts requires faith.


Same thing now as in the OT, but the true Lamb has been sacrificed for the sins of the world.

 

The payment was made, dale. Whether the people accepted it or not.

 

No, your not listening. Christ is the propitiation, the substitutionary Lamb. Just as the OT Sacrifice of Atonment was made on behalf of ALL of Isreal not all of Israel was saved but those who believed. Amy is spot on regarding the passover Lamb illistration.

Do you believe that Christ death paid for all sin right then and there (in time)? If so then do you believe the elect is born saved and righteous? If not, you have problem in your view because I know that even you know that view is incorrect.

Now your getting it

The propitiation of Christ is applied via faith (Rom 3:25).
Did not Christ's death justify the elect?
Did you know that you are justified by faith?

 

I think Christ's payment for sin (in His blood) is the same as the blood of the passover lamb which had to be applied to each household on the doorposts. It was done in faith.
Christ has shed His blood, but without faith in His sacrifice, it won't be applied to each person.

God did not apply the blood to each household Himself. It had to be done by the people because of their faith in what God said. They could either believe death would pass by if the blood was on the doorposts and live, or they could reject it and die.

 

Allan beat me to it. :laugh:

 

Actually Dale, you are incorrect in your assumption. Also you already have created a thread (in Jan of this year) after the same question here: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=46089&page=4
Which was shortly after TCGreek made one before that:
The answer still have not changed

I will post the same thing I gave to TCGreek on his thread:

 

Re: Unlimited atonement or universalist?

People, people, people, people........shame!!! Everytime something like this comes up, the same scriptures(from both sides of this argument) gets brought up...and each side refutes what the others say. It's a "Never Ending Story", and neither side is willing to budge.

Here's the way "Ole Willis" sees it. Those who are saved go to heaven, those who die lost go to hell. One will be "ever with the Lord", the other one will be cast into outer darkness. It all boils down to being saved or not.

To borrow a saying from Bro TCGreek, here's the rub. The problem isn't about being saved, but who is saved, versus those who can't be saved. I believe all can be saved, after God begins dealing with them. It's when they refuse the "drawing" of God, thst some think differntly. Some believe that the "Elect" only, will not refuse, while others say they can. I look at it like this, if you lined 10,000 people up in a row, you couldn't tell me, or anyone, who is "elect", or who is "non-elect". This is the biggest problem with the argument of elect vs. non-elect. I am thankful that God saved me, and if anyone else goes where I am going, will have to do the same thing...repent of their sins.

Willis

 

....because those are clearly the only two options....raying:

 

Does no one else feel insulted by this title? "Are you a universalist or do you believe in limited attonement?" My answer is "No" and "No." So obviously there is nothing for me to discuss on this thread.

Thank God that preaching yesterday and today at Youth Camp God saw fit to save a teenager and help another offer herself as a living sacrifice. To God be the glory! Ya'll really need to get out more--and proclaim the Lord to the lost, whichever side of this argument you are on.

I've had my say. Now the same old people can go back to the same old arguments, repeated who knows how many times on the BB.

 

Apparently you don't understand.
The Atonment made was made FOR ALL, it was not made for a limited amount of people. A limited amount of people will receive it (be redeemed) but the Atonement made was for ALL.

No. That is what you are saying but it is not uncommon since you don't or wont understand what others are 'actually saying'. IOW - You keep trying to reword what they say according to or in light of your own view and understanding.

You keep adding and twisting what is said. Who ever stated anything about the Atonment for people due to them acting in belief 'on their own part' ??
Answer: only Dale-c.

The purpose of the atonment is; it was made for everyone, to be receive in faith by anyone, through the someone of Jesus Christ.

Do you not know that the Atonment by itself does not secure anything?? If it did you would be saved before you were born!!
However scripture states that the propitiantion is received 'by faith (Rom 3:25) and that we are justified not by the Atonment made but 'by faith' in the Atonment. We are justified 'by faith'.

Therefore - Atonment is not limited but Redemption is! :smilewinkgrin: