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She said what?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Jedi Knight, Jun 3, 2010.

  1. abcgrad94

    abcgrad94 Active Member

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    Okay, wait a minute. Let's just assume Crabby is right and radical white groups are behind it. We can call that racial motivation. We all know racism is wrong.
    That doesn't mean the LAWS are wrong. Remember, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

    It's like saying a "hate motivated" crime is worse than a regular crime. When it comes down to it, we must follow the constitution. As long as the laws are in agreement with the constitution, it doesn't really matter who thought of them, does it?
     
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    I agree. The law may be a good law or a bad law. A person's motivation may be wrong and they still may be right ... even if for the wrong reason. Of course the opposite may also be true.

    If a white racist group did write the law and introduce it for passage, then this does make a person wonder what is next on their agenda and who it may be aimed at. However the merits of the law must stand on the law written and how it is interpreted.

    Again I agree with you. In the long run it will be the courts that decide if this law falls with the Constitution or not.

    Thanks for a good, rational response.
     
  3. Crabtownboy

    Crabtownboy Well-Known Member
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    Who says he is my hero? I have never said so. Also, what does your answer have to do with the topic of white racists and the Arizona law?
     
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    On what basis do you conclude that there is an "agenda" if the law is able to stand on it's merits before the court?

    Makes one think that Linda Sanchez and Crabby are the ones with the agenda since they are both more concerned about the person authoring the law than the law itself.
     
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    Obama was supported by black racists and domestic terrorists and you contend that the Arizona law is supported by white racists.

    We are waiting (but not holding our breath) for you to admit that they are equally valid postures.
     
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  7. Crabtownboy

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    Do you believe White Racists do not approve of this law?
     
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    Some may - some may not.

    Can you explain how it would work - what with Hispanics being white and all?

    Do you believe that black racists and domestic terrorists support Obama?
     
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    It's just as you predicted CTB, with targus leading the charge! :laugh:

    And, like you said, no one admitted the truth but attempted the usual misdirect strategy, which targus is also good at. :laugh:
     
  12. Revmitchell

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    More liberal dishonesty. No truth has been presented. But feel free to point it out.
     
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    What truth? That drug smugglers, human smugglers, sex slave traders, and Hispanic gang bangers are behind the opposition to the law?
     
  14. Crabtownboy

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    More misdirection and avoiding the topic under discussion.

    What legislation have these groups introduced into any state government.s
     
  15. targus

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    The OP says "groups" were behind the law.

    How did "groups" introduce this law?

    What "groups" names were on the bill that was voted on?

    You haven't proven the original premise yet.

    There is no misdirection here.

    There is simply your unwillingness to engage in the discussion.
     
  16. Crabtownboy

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    So if the OP is about groups for the bill now you are introducing a new thread on groups agains the bill. That is a change of direction, about 180 degrees change.

    You continually try to misdirect threads. Try thinking and responding rationally on topic. Thanks in advance.
     
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    I am consistent with your pattern of posting.

    Such as your first post to "Is America Headed for Governmental Tyranny ???"

    The topic was what Obama was doing to our rights and you took it straight to George Bush.

    BTW - when did you become the offical liberal socialist censor of the Baptist Board stiffling my freedom of speech and trampling on my rights of free expression.

    Typical facist liberal leftist !! :tongue3:
     
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    Let's look at Crabby's supposed "proof".

    "Did you know that the author of Arizona's new anti-immigrant law, SB 1070 has a long historical connection to white supremacist groups?

    "Pearce is a racist law machine, pumping out statute after statute targeting the brown segment of AZ's population," Stephen Lemons, Phoenix New Times.

    Let's step back to November 7, 2009, to an anti-immigrant rally in Arizona, with guest of honor Senator Russell Pearce spangled in an American flag polo shirt, standing alongside National Socialist Movement marchers decked out in Nazi era regalia, waving flags with swastikas and the Confederate cross. These weren't Alabama citizens proudly waving their state flag, but white supremacists, probably KKK, waving the symbol of a white-only state. In June, 2007, Pearce openly supported white supremacist J.T. Ready, months after Ready was exposed by the Anti Defamation League as a neo-Nazi at an open legislative hearing."

    Long historical connection? Back to November 2009?

    The article talks about "pictures" of Nazi era regalia. It looks like a tie with a print of the U.S. flag to me.

    "Alabma citizens proudly waving their state flag.."? This is proof of "white racism".

    "probably KKK"? This is proof? A speculation of "probably"?

    Where are the pictures of the "swatiskas" and the "confederate cross"?

    Why does this article talk about pictures but then not show them?

    Their noticable absence is quite "interesting".

    This is Crabby's proof?
     
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    CTB, it is obvious you will never get a straight or honest answer from targus; he isn't interested in debate if you, or anyone else he perceives as liberal, started or responded to the thread.
     
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    A straight answer to what?

    No one has offered any evidence that the comment in the OP is true.

    Shouldn't the burden of proof first be on the accuser?

    Offer some proof so that there is a basis for discussion.
     
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