The Neocon's Goofy Policy on Iran

Well said! Excellent insight and post. Thanks for your service to our country and to all of humanity as well. God bless you.

 

Yup.

But our Nobel Peace Prize winning president will have us at war with Iran by election time.

 

The redefinition of war has given presidents unconstitutional powers. If we still required Congress to declare war we would not be policing the world.

Instead, we just stopped calling it war.

 

We starved a half million of them to death before the invasion. Bubba Clinton thinned the herd a little for Dubya Bush.

Sanctioning a country sentences their poor to death. I don't see how a person claiming Christ as their savior can support them.

We've been losing young people over there, trying to fix that place, since 1953. Enough, already.

The Patriot Act says it can happen. And it has. I've heard of musicians getting their guitars taken away at the Canadian Border. Armed federal agents raided the Gibson factory in Nashville, arrested nobody, but confiscated millions of dallars worth of material. Armed federal agents kicked people off of their own land, recently in a small desert town in California.

 

Drat- I'm starting to think like you and I'm a hawk!!

 

From Rosenberg's article [post 30]:

"This admission that the problem with a nuclear Iran is not that it would attack Israel but that it would alter the regional balance of power is incredibly significant. The American Enterprise Institute is not Commentary, the Republican Jewish Coalition, or the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, which are not exactly known for their intellectual heft.

It is, along with the Heritage Foundation, the most influential conservative think tank. That is why it was able to play such an influential role in promoting the invasion of Iraq...."

Does this admission from AEI (which was very influential in promoting the Iraq War) surprise you? They're now, just now, admitting Iran is not really a threat to Israel. It's simply that the balance of power will be altered when Iran becomes nuclear.

 

You didn't address any of my questions.

Your article alleges that the AIE is drumming up support for going to war with Iran. It says the only way to achieve a stable regime in Iran is to overthrow them (by war.) It says the only alternative to war is diplomacy, and diplomacy is off the table. It says that the only alternative to war is the destruction of Israel.

The whole article is a strawman. Please show me where any member of the Obama administration or any elected Republican member of Congress has called for bombing or an invasion of Iran.

 

It matters not. The source is media matters and it not credible. Rosenburg is a infowars flamer and is known for exaggerating or otherwise misrepresenting the positions of those he and infowars disagrees with much like we see on this board. On top of that he appears to consider al jazeera a credible source. Most likely because they say what he wants to hear.

 

Nobody thought about stopping the USSR or Red China from developing nuclear arms with pre-emptive action.

 

Please show me where any member of the Obama administration or any elected Republican member of Congress has called for bombing or an invasion of Iran.

 

My problem is support for this, even hypothetical, action.

 

Well, here's the deal. Support for this idea is only in the minds of Ron Paul and his supporters. So far the only thing I've heard anyone else say about it was when Romney said that the "military option should not be taken off the table." Hilary Clinton recently said, "Iran cannot be permitted to have a nuclear weapon and no option has ever been taken off the table."

Apparently Paul is saying the military option is off the table which is a supremely stupid thing to say. All options should be left open.

 

According to THIS FOX STORY the president is not taking any options off the table.

 

A sensible, logical approach. Unless you think it is a good idea to telegraph to your antagonists what you may or may not do.

 

The UN sanctioned Iraq after they invaded Kuwait. A legitimate use of sanctions.

"Saddam murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead."

Well, desperate times call for desperate measures don't they.
But the Paulites continue to say that all options were, and are off the table. And whether or not Christians should support sanctions is not really your call Bro. Curtis, though you have a right to your opinion.

Martial Law, by definition, means the imposition of military rule by military authorities. None of what you describe meets that definition. The OP said we have de facto martial law, which is a total fantasy.

 

In that case we have had neocon presidents at least since Andrew Jackson.

Just keeping you on your toes J.D.

 

Romney is an elected official? If the question includes GOP candidates, then here:

Gingrich Calls for Regime Change in Iran
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204531404577054911628578368.html

“Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich called for replacing the leadership of Iran and said that could be accomplished within a year, adopting a more aggressive posture toward the U.S. adversary than advocated by the rest of the Republican field or by President Barack Obama.”

Romney talks Texas-tough on Iran
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/nov/16/romney-talks-texas-tough-on-iran/

“Massachusetts' Mitt Romney, ever adaptable and politically malleable, has adopted a Texas-style swagger in trying to out-tough-guy the GOP pack by promising there will never be a nuclear Iran during his presidency.”

Rick Perry channels megapastor John Hagee's call to strike Iran
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/11/rick-perry-channels-megapastor.html

“In saying that he could support an Israeli air strike on Iran , Rick Perry is mirroring the message of a religious figure with significant ties to the governor -- Texas televangelist John Hagee. The Texas governor has visited Hagee's San Antonio megachurch, joining Hagee on stage the weekend before his 2006 reelection.”

Bachmann: US Must Fight Iran Aggression, Quest for Nuclear Weapon
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Bachmann-Iran-nuclear-weapon/2011/10/30/id/416191

“..."What I would do is take everything at our disposal to make sure that Iran does not have a nuclear weapon.....”

Rick Santorum: The Iranian Threat
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45228475/Rick_Santorum_The_Iranian_Threat

“The threat is here and it is now. We must work with Israel to determine the proper military response needed to stabilize the region, protect our allies and protect this country – if that includes targeted airstrikes on Iranian nuclear facilities, then I am prepared to authorize that action. In addition, nuclear scientists who stand with Ahmadinejad must know that if they help the regime, they are enemies of the United States and they will be treated as such. In response to this latest revelation outlined in the IAEA’s report, I would work with Israel to eliminate the Iranian nuclear threat immediately and put provisions in place to assist any pro-democracy uprising in the Iran.“

I don't know how they intend on funding a war with Iran. Maybe borrow more money from China to keep the Empire up & going? The credit card is about maxed out:

Ron Paul Video That FOX Refused To Re-Air

 

For the sake of argument, question does include GOP candidates. You've got two guys, one who is not an elected official (Santorum) and one who is (Perry).

Other military options would include a blockade, for example, or interference with electronic communications.

BTW, I did not know this about Perry or Santorum. He's just moved down my list of supportable candidates. Perry never made the list. Thanks for the info.

 

My goodness, I never knew that you harbored such hatred for Jews. That's so sad. :tear:

Rosenberg has more knowledge of the Middle East in his toenail than you'll ever have:

http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/authors.php?auid=14019