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  1. Taerzik

    Taerzik New Member

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    An interesting discussion to say the least!

    Within a few months I should be moved into central Texas. One of my priorities is investing in some land a good ways away from civilization, the objective being to have a place to go if things go from bad where I can hunt and cultivate edible local flora. Paddle cactus seem like a likely choice considering how prevalent they are out there but I'd like to practice preparing them before I end up having to.

    Poncho - how does one prepare 'coon? I've had a little opossum before but I've never had racoon.
     
  2. poncho

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    Before you go out hunting for racoons you should learn how to properly handle wild game.

    Here's some racoon recipes.

    http://www.backwoodsbound.com/zracoon.html

    Mmm Mmm Good! :smilewinkgrin:

    During the great depression people ate woodchucks. That's what northerners call groundhogs. Woodchucks are easier to find than racoons because they hang out near their holes in open fields (during daylight hours) and a good .22 caliber rifle and a steady aim will fill your cookpot faster and easier than chasing Mr. Racoon around the city or country. Not many woodchucks in the city though. Best to look on farmland that have big open fields.

    My grandparents were quite fond of woodchuck. My grandad froze his toes while he and his parents were digging them out of their burrow one winter. Woodchucks hibernate in the winter and come out in the spring. They aren't so people shy then and the grass is shorter so that's probably the best time to hunt them. I've taken plenty of woodchucks with a .22 rimfire rifle but you have to be mighty close to get a solid headshot otherwise you'll just wound em and they'll run back to the burrow to heal up or die of infection. Woodchucks are tough critters and can take quite a few body shots from a .22. My choice for a chuck gun is a .222 Remington with a good 3-9 power scope on it. A .222 will take chucks out to a couple hundred yards as opposed to 30 - 50 yards with a .22 rimfire.

    One good thing about the .22 rimfire round though is that they are cheap and can be found just about everywhere. If you are serious about survival a .22 rimfire rifle is a must! I prefer a semi auto with a four power scope. That'll give you enough magnification to make solid headshots on small critters but a wide enough field of view to use it as a close range defensive weapon if it ever comes down to it. Stock up on .22 ammo while you can 5,000 - 10,000 rounds is about right the more the better imho. If and when civilization melts down you can barter some of it for other things if needs be.

    Here's some woodchuck recipes.
     
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  3. Oldtimer

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    You can say that again!

    Hey, quit giving away all our country folk secrets! :smilewinkgrin:

    If the worst comes about, city folks will take down herds of cattle and other livestock rather quickly. They'll be easy targets as they can't be maintained for very long inside protective buildings. Especially after commercial feeds run out.

    More than once, I've looked out our back window and smiled, as I've watched our livestock, on the hoof, in the back 40. At varying times -- wild turkey, Bambi, ground hogs, squirrels, quail, rabbits, geese, coon and possom. Within shouting distance there's an abundant supply of fish, beaver, black walnuts, hickory nuts, crayfish, wild plums, blackberries, passion fruit, elderberries, mulberries and other wild treats. Oh... don't forget the snakes native to your area.

    Smiled because my sis would rant and rail about squirrels raiding her birdfeeders. All the while, not realizing she may be establishing her herd for the dinner table.

    Now is the time to scout the neighborhood for what can be utilized, in season, after the shelves are bare at FoodLion. There may be a bonanza in "weed" filled urban and city vacant lots. And in the backyards of abandoned houses. For example, I know where there are apple and peach trees remaining after an old house was torn down. These aren't visible from the road, thus aren't likely targets in a worse case situation.

    Now is the time to learn what to look for, in season. Now is the time to learn how to harvest the crop, whether it has feet or roots. Now is the time to learn how to process it for fresh and preserved meals. Now is the time to acquire what is needed to do the same, whether it's equipment, knowlege, or hand-on experience where possible.

    If you don't already know, learn how to butcher a chicken. Learn the difference between cooking a tender fryer and a tough old laying hen. With that knowledge, you'll already know about 80% of what's needed to butcher any wild game. The principles are the same whether it's a rooster or a racoon. If it has feathers, pluck it (or skin it). If it has fur, skin it. If you can find the joints in a chicken to cut it into pieces, you'll know most of what it takes to do the same thing with a rabbit, deer, bear, or wild boar.

    Just remember to also stock the herbs and spices needed to enhance the flavor of wild foods. It doesn't hurt to have an herb garden tucked away somewhere on your back 40. I'm guessing that my rosemary patch is about 30 years old. If your climate permits, grow your own garlic, chives, and ginger. Even if someone does manage to raid your pantry, it isn't likely they'll take the time to dig up your garlic, too. Especially if you have it "hidden" in decorative flower beds.

    Couple more notes, as this post is gettng too long.

    Herbs and spices - shop the warehouse stores and not the spice rack at the grocery store. Buy those big containers of Tones from Sam's Club, for example. The price per ounce at the grocery store is outrageous when sold in those tiny spice bottles when compared to bulk purchases.

    How much salt do you have in the pantry today? Half a box? That won't go very far towards seasoning those wild foods. Nor to preserve the bounty that you happen upon. Plus, salt will be worth it's weight in gold in an EOTWAWKI situation. Salt will be a barter item, as it has been from the dawn of civilization. Add peppercorns to your list, too.
     
  4. Crabtownboy

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    Stalking the Wild Asparagus, is a very good book by Euell Gibbon. He used to take people to abandoned lots in cities, walk around picking leaves and plants and then cooking them a meal with what he had found.

    I expect the book is out-of-print, so you will have to find a used on on Amazon or some other web seller of such books.
     
  5. poncho

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    Amen to that Oldtimer!

    I've had discussions with friends of mine that grew up on farms and they tell me they can survive by harvesting deer. No doubt there are alot of deer around especially where I grew up but they won't last long as a food source if everyone is hunting them. Better to start looking for alternatives now!

    I'd like to add a couple things that goes along with your excellent advice on stocking up and storing things now. If and when civilization melts down there will be people out there looking to take your stores. So hide em!

    Get yourself some five gallon plastic buckets and some "gama seals" fill em up with food stuffs that'll keep for long periods along with other handy items like a good knife, first aid supplies, alcohol stoves w/fuel and other fuels and of course some of that .22 caliber ammo you stocked up on and whatever else you might want to keep after looters have gone through the neighborhood and robbed everyone else blind. You'll still have back up supplies.

    Bury em someplace safe. It doesn't have to be in your backyard though. Some good spots might be out of the way hiking trails and favorite fishin spots. If the need ever arises that you have to "get out of dodge" in a hurry you can go dig up your cache(s) and scurry off well supplied.

    Think ahead and be prepared for the worst.
     
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  6. HankD

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    Only if you have gas in your tank.

    HankD
     
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    Exactly. After Sandy, there was no way I'd waste gasoline to cook. I could cook in my yard with wood for a long time and I couldn't get gas unless I sat on a 4 hour line. It wasn't worth it.
     
  8. SaggyWoman

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    Idon't know about that, but I used to have a car when it got hot enough l,ike in summer, I could bake biscuits on the car.
     
  9. Oldtimer

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    Yep, in the days when there was a nice sized shelf behind the backseat at the top of the seat, it made a pretty good solar oven.

    Oh, you said on the car..... Not in the car. How'd you do that? Just set a pan of biscuits on the hood, for example?
     
  10. Jack Matthews

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    When I was in boy scouts years back, we made a sort of stew with some ground beef, green beans, corn, diced potatoes, pimiento, green pepper, mixed it all together, put it in an aluminum foil packet, set it down in an aluminum meatloaf pan, wrapped that in foil and put it on top of the engine block of a 1982 Ford F-150, and drove for about 40 miles. We could smell it cooking during the trip from time to time. When we got to our destination, we opened the foil. Perfect, just like it had baked in an oven. Our scoutmaster had several recipies like that, with the amount of time and distance needed to drive in order for the food to cook.
     
  11. poncho

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    The Slingbow For Hunting And Fishing

    This would make a good addition to your emergency bug out bag or survival kit.

    You can either buy these slingbows or make your own. I made my own of course because I already had the "wrist rocket" sling shot and a lot of archery equipment. They can be made plain or fancy.

    Be sure and check your local laws on slingshots. Some states have restrictions on them.

    Here's a few websites and how to videos to get ya started.

    Some store bought slingbows.

    http://www.thepathfinderstore.com/pocket-hunter/?sort=bestselling

    Pathfinder Pocket Hunting System Promo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4BTTsShRaY&list=PLFC29CAEECC5C2C66&index=2

    http://falconslingbows.webs.com/

    http://www.chiefaj.com/big_game_slingbows.htm

    Some DIY slingbows.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGIcCRJGYug

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NshtEe_TsRA

    How to make a Zombie slaying arrow shooting slingshot


    The Slingshot Channel. Joerg has a lot of spare time evidently.

    No arrows? No problem.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndjGHlvzqzU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eESHbd-z-nA
     
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    Lard-home rendered and preserved

    Also from post #28"

    "canning lard is easy. the key is to simmer long enough to get all the water and impurities (cracklings) out so it stores longest. Here is the technique:


    there are 2 ways to prepare fat for canning. the direct method is used for fat like you have - bulk fat basically right off the critter (yours looks like it may be all ready chopped) This also works for not only lard, but any other fat you want to save for cooking or other uses (chicken fat, btw, is superior in cakes).


    1. Direct rendering:

    Chop the fat up fine. I like an old meat grinder for this, if your food processor will handle it, it will work too. The finer the chop, the quicker the render.

    Place chopped fat in a large pot, melt over LOW heat. A double boiler works best for this, if you can rig one up or have one. It takes a long time, so schedule at least one whole day for this.

    Cook until all the fat in the pot is liquid, and the connective tissue that cooks out sinks down to the bottom. These are called cracklings and are good, too.

    Strain the melted fat through a cotton or muslin cloth wrung out in hot water. Set aside the cracklings.

    Reheat the fat and simmer to remove any water in it (10 min simmer time at least).

    Meanwhile, heat up jars in the oven (Heat jars in a 250 degree oven for 20 minutes, without rings or seals.) and sterilize the flat lids (not the rings) by pouring boiling water over them and letting it sit until needed.

    When the fat is well boiled, pour hot into a hot jar, and top with a freshly dried lid. Fill up to 1/4 inch to the top. As it cools it will seal. Keep in a dark cool place. Keeps at least two years - mine keeps even longer.


    2. Water method: Used for cleaning mixed fats, or cleaning used fats taken from soups, or that have bits of tissue on them.

    You do not need a double boiler for this, just boil the fats with an equal amount of water on the stove on medium heat until melted.

    Let cool in the pot, then refrigerate in the pot, water and all. The fat will rise up. Remove the solid cake, scrape off any 'stuff' on the bottom so you have only plain fat.

    Reheat if you want to can it. You need to drive out residual water and impurities.

    This is handy if you have a strong flavored fat (goose fat, mutton, etc) that you want to mix with a mild fat (beef suet or lard) to tame down the flavor. This will also clean fats saved from soups, gravies, or salt meats.

    Then boil it and can it as in the direct method.


    Remember those cracklings? Use them measure for measure for fat in biscuits or cornbread. Use them to season a mess of greens or green beans. Even good in boiled beans, adding fat and an indescribable bacony, crunchy flavor.

    Saving other fats is done the same way. I keep fats seperate depending on their use: chicken, turkey and goose measure for measure for the fat in baking, lard for pie crusts and frying, beef fat for high temperature frying (french fries), deer tallow for waterproofing buckskins and leathers, as well as for skin-softening herbal creams. Only when there are impurities in the fats do they start to smell bad, so render any fats you plan to save to make them clean.

    Hopefully this will help you process all that wonderful lard you scored!"
     
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  13. Bro. James

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    A few minor details: the zombies will have all the raw materials, the electricity will be off, and there will be no fuel --not even dried cow patties, available.

    Prepare for a nuclear winter--underground--also a triple perimeter with booby traps.

    Better: get ready for the rapture.

    Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

    Bro. James
     
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    Just in case Darby was wrong, be prepared to be disappointed.
     
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    This thread has lasted four times longer than canned lard.
     
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    You're something else. I enjoy your humor. In person I bet you're even funnier,but it transfers well in this medium.
     
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    Have you ever seen a can of lard go bad?
     
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    Did you read kyredneck's recipe a few posts up? Lard in a canning jar. Whodda thunk it?

    Mamma always made her pie crust with lard. We got pot smoking hippies up here that try to get you to make a pie crust with olive oil and natural spring water. Funny how somebody set on frying their own brains would be worried about my cholesterol. Anyway, it's just terrible trying to eat, You gotta have good, pure lard to make a nice flaky crust. If an apple, cherry or strawberry rhubarb has to die it deserves to go wrapped in a decent pie crust.

    Mamma was a pie making machine: fruit pies, cream pies, meat pies (pasty for us Northern folk), pot pies and these little cookies made out of jam and leftover dough scraps. If it was a day that ended with the letter Y Mamma would bake a pie.

    So, to answer your question, nope. Good lard don't keep.
     
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    It's fat and oil. Of course it goes bad. Even in a sealed can, there is some oxygen content and it will eventually lead to the lard becoming rancid.
     
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    The cooking benefits of using a Pot Cosy in the outdoors

    When cooking over a camping stove, the best way to save fuel and make it last much longer is to use a Pot Cosy. The modern term for a Hay Box and although the materials have changed, the principle is still the same. Simply place your hot cooking pot full of warm food, into the Pot Cosy, seal it and let the retained heat do all the simmering for you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkQA0_duIHE

    These things work great. I've made several of them for my outdoor cooking kits. The material I use is called Reflectix it can found at Lowes or Home Depot. I use the foil tape used for sealing heating ducts instead of the fabric. It wears less and looks better than the fabric tape imho.

    For those wondering, no I haven't made any hats but I'm sure the double wall nature of Reflectix would afford better protection than plain old "tinfoil" and would keep your head a lot warmer in the winter. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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