Featured For amillenial brothers....thoughts?

1. Every time you go to church you go to the Kings house.
2. You sing songs to your King.
3. You pray to your King.
4. When the preacher preaches he bring you a message from your King.
5. When you have communion you celebrate what your King has done for you.
5. All the Kings subjects join you in Adoration, Glory, Honor and Praise to their King.
6. In conclusion... You and all those with you worship a great King... The Lord Jesus Christ... Who is King Of Kings and Lord Of Lords. If the Kingdom Of God is not here now then John the Baptist lied when he say it was at hand. So when did it come... Pentecost... Just like Jesus said it would.

 

In our area what you call "the king's house" was just sold to a real estate developer. I suppose the king doesn't take very good care of his real estate. Your context "go to the church" has a meaning of "building." God does not dwell in buildings.

Both inside and outside of the assembly of God.

I trust he has a message from God, delivered in the power of the Holy Spirit. That is the most important thing.

NO. We celebrate what our Savior has done for us. And most churches only celebrate it once a month.

Not all of them. "Joy to the World" is not really a "Christmas" song, but a song about the "coming King," and the Millennial reign of Christ. Most hymns however are not about "the King" and worshiping the "King" at all. At Christmas they revolve around his birth; at Easter, his resurrection; at other times the themes are: His blood, salvation, prayer, the Christian walk, obedience, etc. Very few are about worshiping the king.

It is at hand. It was not a lie. It simply means it is immanent. It still is.
Your accusation is quite unfounded.

 

Don't agree! But thanks for the words of encouragement!

 

For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. Romans 8:24,25

Now being the following is stated by the same writer: Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1 Cor 15:50

How does our hope which we do not yet see relate to ourselves and the kingdom of God. Do we not groan within ourselves?

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. Romans 8:23

Are those verses in Romans 8 relative to the kingdom of God?

 

Just rememeber that the Kingdom is partially here in the world, but will come here in its fullness when the King returns to earth!

 

I agree!... Christ spiritual kingdom is in the world now. Where two or three are gathered together in my name there I am in the midst. Each of Jesus believers have the Kingdom of God within them... Together gathered in like precious faith they make up the church. It is not a building that anyone in the world can see it is a building not made with hands. We, each and everyone of us make up that building. We can gather together and worship anywhere. The Bible relates to Christs' Spiritual Kingdom and how we interact with each other in this world according to his teaching. The scriptures state that God is omnipresent that being said he is certainly present in his own Spiritual Kingdom he set up. If you have communion which I'm sure each of your churches do. Jesus told his disciples as oft as you do this, the example he set up of the bread and wine during Passover and the washing of feet...(which I know many churches don't observe) Do this in Rememberance of Me!

 

Just to set the record straight Joy to the World is not about the "coming King or the millennium". It is about the King who came 2000 years ago and now Reigns!
I have added appropriate emphasis!

"Joy To The World" was written by Korbel, Peter / Watts, Issac N.

 

No more let sin and sorrow grow
Nor thorns infest the ground
He comes to make
His blessings flow
Far as the curse is found

Can't you point to me this place where there is no more sin; no more sorrow; no thorns that infest the ground.
Has Christ indeed come to this place to make his blessings flow and lift the curse from this earth. To me it is a very cursed earth that we live in. Have you read the news lately?

 

"Joy To The World" was written by Korbel, Peter / Watts, Issac N.

I don't see any future tense in the song.

 

I just had to say,

All the comments and theories have been impressive. But, I remain a "Pan-millennialist." :laugh:

 

I should point out that the above song while it may be inspired and inspiring is not Divinely inspired so whether it says anything about the earthly millennial reign is totally irrelevant!

 

IF this present age is the messianic one promised by the Prophets and Apostles of the Lord jesus, then He is not ruling as the Bible stated that he would be!

As satan is not bound, and this is not Paradise restored!

 

It is a song; it is poetry. If it is not speaking of a future kingdom then there is no truth in the song or hymn.

 

The above is neither inspired nor inspiring and it defies Scripture, for example:

1st Peter 3:22. Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Ephesians 1:17-23
17. That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18. The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19. And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20. Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21. Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22. And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
23. Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

 

I have told you before; you take this verse out of context and make it mean something that it doesn't mean. Writing to suffering Christians Peter tells them to look to a suffering Savior not a King. Read the context. Don't pull a verse out of context to make it a proof-text for your little theological misplaced ideas.

 

You were wrong before and you are wrong again. What could be of more comfort to suffering Saints than the following promise?


1st Peter 3:22. Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Nothing:

Your eisegesis is simply wrong and posting it ad infinitum will not change that fact!

 

Context: There were no chapter divisions in the originals. What are the very next verses:

[FONT=&quot]1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:[/FONT]

 

The context is that suffering and death are temporary and that the power of the resurrection is eternal. In 1 Peter 3:21-22 he mentions the power of the resurrection of Christ and His subsequent exhalation. Then, he makes application back to the suffering of Christ and our identification with Him in His sufferings. We know that since Christ went through suffering and was glorified, we also can identify with His sufferings and then be glorified.

1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
...
1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
...
1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

According to all these verses, Jesus reigns NOW in heaven with "angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him," YET in the future, His glory shall be REVEALED when He comes to judge the living and the dead.

I don't understand why it is so difficult to accept that there is both an "already and not yet" aspect to the eschatological kingdom of God.

In the first phrase, Christ is reigning from heaven and subjecting the powers that once held the nations bondage to darkness, but now the gospel spreads around the world and Satan cannot stop it. Satan can fight it, but it prevails. This is the part of the kingdom where the nobleman is reigning from the "far country" and has given His kingdom to "others" to maintain.

In the second phase, Christ returns to judge the living and the dead, restores all things as the new heavens and new earth, and through eternity this is the phase that premillennialists think is the 1000-year period.

Mar 12:1 And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.
Mar 12:2 And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.
Mar 12:3 And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.
Mar 12:4 And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.
Mar 12:5 And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.
Mar 12:6 Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
Mar 12:7 But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.
Mar 12:8 And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.

Obviously, this is the Crucifixion.

Mar 12:9 What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:
Mar 12:11 This was the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Mar 12:12 And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way.

This was fulfilled in A.D. 70. The nobleman destroyed the ones who crucified the Son and he gave the kingdom to "others" (the remnant of Israel and the Gentile believers grafted into the same olive tree). There is nothing that indicates that this kingdom will once again be given back to the "natural branches." This is New Covenant Israel who now manages the kingdom while the nobleman is away. The nobleman "came and destroyed" the husbandmen (apostate Old Covenant Israel) and replaced his husbandmen with the New Covenant version. The nobleman "came" in judgment upon Jerusalem in A.D. 70 to destroy his unfaithful husbandmen and replace them with better ones. Naturally, the nobleman returned to his business in the "far country" because that is why he gave his kingdom to his original husbandmen in the first place.

 

Agreed

The powers mentioned are in heaven, not in earth. Jesus does not reign on earth and nothing in these verses suggest that. There will come a time when He will reign on earth but this passage does not suggest that he is reigning on earth now. To say so is taking this passage out of context.
He is in heaven.
He is on the right hand of God.
He is interceding for the believers; not reigning on earth.

His Kingdom, the Kingdom of Heaven, the Kingdom that the Jews looked forward to, is still to come. The OT described it in detail. Even the Lord's Prayer described it: "Thy Kingdom come..." He was referring to a Millennial Kingdom that we are to pray for.

Sin does prevail.
Satan does prevail. ISIS is prevailing isn't it?
This world is held in the darkness of sin and Satan.
Satan is the god of this world; the prince of the power of this air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience.
Satan offered This Kingdom, His Kingdom, to Jesus. He was the only one that could do so. It is his. The earth and its worldly system belongs to Satan, the god of this world. Jesus refused it.

The first phase is the rapture which has not come yet. And then the Tribulation--God's wrath for seven years on the wicked of this earth.
Then Christ will come in his glory to set up his Kingdom of one thousand years.

Maybe, maybe not. The main truth in the parable is that Christ came; Christ was rejected. But Christ is the chief cornerstone. All need to be saved and they need to come through Christ.

Don't base your theology on parables.
Jesus Christ is a Jew. Does he get cast out also? Some of this allegorization gets ridiculous.

There is no such thing as "New Covenant Israel."
As Paul said: there is the Church, the Gentiles and the Jews.
Israel will always exist. Was Paul a demented fool for praying for the nation of Israel (something that didn't exist according to your theology.)

Poor old Paul. How deceived he was in continuing to pray for the nation of Israel in Rom.10:1ff and Rom.9:1ff. He, according to you was mixed up theologically and deluded about the nation of Israel. Pitiful.

Destruction was judgment, but only a partial fulfillment of prophecy. The complete fulfillment of prophecy of judgment will come during the Tribulation Period, still in the future.