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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by church mouse guy, Apr 14, 2014.

  1. Bro. Curtis

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    Libertarians want abortion laws returned to the states. Only somebody with Crabtownboy's mentality would equate that with supporting abortion.
     
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    Just what Libertarian planks have the democrats adopted?
     
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    For that matter, what Libertarian planks have the Republicans adopted that weren't first GOP concepts?
     
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    Many Republicans are scared to death of Libertarians. They see the Libertarians occupying the place Republicans used to occupy until the GOP was co-opted by radical right wingers beginning after the Eisenhower administration. The GOP keeps losing elections to Democrats because of their massive move to the right, and the support of what many consider tyranny. (Patriot Act, Iraq War, Guantanamo, War on Terror, Military Commissions Act, NSA warrantless wiretapping, SWIFT, DHS, etc.) They are too reactionary to look at their own platform and see the problem so they blame it on those dastardly Libertarians. The Libertarians crime? Holding a position the GOP won elections with but abandoned several decades ago. :)
     
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    Drug legalization
     
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    There is absolutely no truth to any of that. In fact when the GOP stands strong on conservative issues is when they win elections. 2010 is a prime example. It is when they get wishy washy and put up liberal light candidates that they lose.
     
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    It is the only way to go about it. No state should be allowed to murder unborn children.
     
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    Many? Like, what a couple hundred thousand?

    Radical righties like Nixon, Rockefeller, Ford, George Romney, Howard Baker, John Connolly, Bob Dole, etc. R-I-G-H-T...

    They lose elections because they have lackluster candidates that take a middle of the road platform position.

    What positions were those? Legalized drugs, legalized prostitution, isolationism, same-sex marriage, reduction of the military, open immigration? Those positions?

    Meanwhile the Republicans are still espousing states' rights, lower taxes, less government regulation, a strong military, 2nd amendment rights, etc. all issues that Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes won on.
     
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    I disagree. While it's true that abortion is murder and should not be allowed, states are not the ones murdering children (although Massachusetts is trying it's darndest with that little Peltier girl).

    I also have problems with the idea of the federal government "allowing" or not "allowing" states to do things.

    Abortion should be sent to the states, in accordance with the 10th Amendment, and the battle should be fought there.
     
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    Same-sex marriage
    Reduction of the military
    open immigration
     
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    So, first, they're "radical". Now, they're "middle of the road"? Which is it?

    Seriously? When was the last time Republicans in Congress stood up for states' rights or less regulation?

    Can't we have a strong military and a smaller, more streamlined military? Didn't we have a pretty good military before 1903?
     
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    Isn't it amazing that not one of the GOP supporters has responded to the very reason the Libertarian party is such a danger to the Republicans: Patriot Act, Iraq War, Guantanamo, War on Terror, Military Commissions Act, NSA warrantless wiretapping, SWIFT, DHS.
     
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    These are all legitimate beefs that (I believe) most GOPers have an issue with. I know I do. However, it's a stretch to say the Libertarian Party is a "danger" to the GOP. If so, the far left is much more dangerous because they oppose these things as well and there are many more of them. The far left is raising objections to these things much more forcefully than the Libertarian Party and they have the ear of the Democratic Party.
     
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    Yet every one of them were enacted and signed into law by Republicans.
    Not at all. As Libertarians tend to be very fiscally conservative, every vote for a Libertarian is a vote not cast for a Republican. Just look at the elections of 1992 and 1996. In 1992 Clinton only got 43% of the vote. The libertarian candidate drew over 18% of the vote. Bush would have won except for Perot. In 1996 we see the same thing but to a lot lesser extent and Dole would have had to get all Perot's votes to win. But he still took enough votes to give Clinton a landslide victory.
    I disagree. The Libertarians are the most vocal regarding civil rights, especially under the 1st and 2nd amendments. Ask the group who went to Nevada to support the rancher, Bundy, and see how many are Libertarians. :)
     
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    Perot was the Reform Party candidate, not the Libertarian. The totals for Libertarian, Populist, New Alliance, et al. in toto were less than 1%
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    Again, Perot was the Reform Party candidate. The Libertarian was outpolled by Green Party candidate Ralph Nader.
    He did, but not for the Libertarians.

    By the way, wasn't it you who was chatising CMG because he couldn't tell you anything about the Libertarians? And you don't even know who their nominees have been!! :laugh:

    Lord, have mercy!
     
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    The reason CMG doesn't like libertarians is because I have personally pointed out to him over the course of several lengthy discussions that his glorious establishment GOP and the neocons that infest it have shown themselves to be everything I list below.

    1. Liars of the first magnitude.

    2. Warmongers and sales reps for the weapons industry.

    3. Have no qualms of using socialist practices such as stealing money from Americans to give away to foreigners.

    4. Violate the US Constitution they swore to protect and defend in doing so.

    5. Are every bit as hypocritical and corrupt as the democrats.

    6. Are authoritarians and don't care how big, expensive or wasteful government becomes so long as they can get a feeling of power over others that their corporatist system abuses on a daily basis.

    7. They have worked to merge government power with corporate power which makes them at the least corporatists or to be more precisely descriptive, covert fascists hiding behind the illusion that the USA is still a republic or "democracy". Which is a huge whopper of a lie in and of itself.

    8. They have consistently thrown American citizens under the bus in order to satisfy the whims of a small group of parasitical oligarchs that feed off us.

    9. At this point in time they as well as the democrats are merely functionaries of a private international banking cartel that wishes to spread it's debt and enslave every country on the planet.

    10. Did I mention the GOP's "neo conservatism" they adopted after the people Reagan would have known as "the crazies" came to power under the G. W. Bush puppet regime has very little to do with "conservatism" and a whole lot to do with waging endless wars for endless profits and increasing military spending to ridiculous heights to keep their biggest campaign donors happy?

    Did I mention they are corrupt and openly and unashamedly hypocritical?

    With all this authoritarianism, socialism, corporatism, corruption and blatant hypocrisy coming from the "neoconned" GOP is it any wonder CMG and the other neocon authoritarians here have to resort to name calling and posting silly images to defend the indefensible?
     
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    I'm not sure the message got through in the previous 617 posts of yours on this exact subject. Why not float another one?
     
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    That's four more than the number of laws God gave Moses!

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    It's weird seems like every time I make a post the blind men and hypocrites show up to do what they do best.

    Attack the messenger instead of the message. :laugh:

    What has the establisment GOP been doing for you lately? http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/oligarchy.html
     
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