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"This is what happens when Americans believe the Government is overreaching"

The title to this thread is misleading. It implies that it's some sort of "conspiracy theory" for Americans to believe the government is overreaching. When in actual fact the government is overreaching in just about everything it does these days.

The title already arrived at the conclusion "Americans are nuts to believe the government can do wrong" so the only thing left to discuss is whether that conclusion (which was already reached in the title) is right or wrong.

I believe it's wrong. Evidently you disagree. What's new?

Now, should we continue having a discussion or would you prefer we just accept the idea that "government can do no wrong, case closed" same as in many of the other threads you start?

 

Courts can be wrong and I believe that in recent times, they are wrong quite often due to ignorance, corruption, incompetence, immorality, or a combination of one or all of the above.

Right doesn't become wrong when a person waves a gavel and says it is so.

 

That's why we're supposed to protect, defend and follow the constitution. People can't be trusted and people with power should never be trusted.

Update: [16:00 PST] – This video interview follows reports that up to 5,000 militia members are on their way to Nevada to stand with the Bundy family against massive government overreach. Earlier today Bundy family members and friends broke through the Federal blockade to rescue cattle stuck behind enemy lines.

http://www.infowars.com/rancher-cliven-bundy-speaks-i-dont-recognize-them-having-any-jurisdiction-or-authority-over-this-land-video/

Will Feds Stage Violence to Frame Cliven Bundy?

Infiltrators could be used to demonize Nevada cattle rancher’s cause

Will the feds resort to staging violence in order to frame Cliven Bundy and his supporters?

With hundreds of “militia members” heading to Nevada, the possibility of the feds inserting provocateurs posing as protesters in order to demonize Bundy’s cause is a major threat.
Remember, Ed and Elaine Brown mistakenly invited U.S. Federal Marshals posing as supporters into their own home before they were arrested.

VIDEO . . . http://www.infowars.com/will-feds-stage-violence-to-frame-cliven-bundy/

 

Just so you know, I taught history and "civics" (although it was not called that) at both the high school and college levels for several years.

Everything you've said here is more or less correct.

 

Anarchy is NEVER of God. All this man had to do was remove his cattle from that land. He wants free or very low cost grazing. The land is not his. He has no right to that land unless granted by the People/government. That was taken away. The way to state our grievance is to go to court. if we lose the next thing is to vote people into office who hold our convictions, not take up arms. This has sowed and is now reaping what he sowed.

 

The land IS his. Ours.

It seems to me that there is a much bigger picture here - people have grown weary of those they voted into government not representing the people. There isn't supposed be this vast "us" - "them" schism going on, and this particular situation struck a chord and the people are striking back.
Perhaps because it's such a basic concept and to boot, paints such a valid picture of what's going on everywhere. An all American scene - a rancher and his cattle, open land, grazing, up against politicians....city boys in suits trying to tell a bunch of cows "you have no right to eat here" and tell the guy "your way of life has no validity and we want us stopped, plus we raised the costs on your livestock eating on this open range and you owe us a million dollars."

I have to wonder it this is going to be a lynchpin event. If the government messes up how they handle this and tick off the people, are they going to revolt concerning everything else? If the government backs off, will the people sit back down and let things continue as they are concerning other government intrusions? Curious...

But no, this isn't THEIR land and THEIR decision and the man is not separate from the people. He's one of the people, as are those standing with him. If the grazing act was violated, it was violated, even if someone with a gavel said it wasn't or didn't know it was.

 

That is like saying public parks are ours and we can graze our cattle on them. Or because public land is ours we cna use it to make mud pits for off road vehicles. Nothing could be further from the truth. The land has been set aside as a refuge and he no longer has any right to graze his cattle. He is clearly in the wrong and promoting anarchy as well as any who support him and his illegal ways.
His family raised cattle on those lands for generations and for that he needs to thank the publick for allowing it. Now it is set aside for other purposes and he needs to get off the land or face what he is facing.

 

It looks like the sherrif is exercising his rightfuly legal authority and requiring this to stop. This is the way it should be not anarchy.
http://www.tpnn.com/2014/04/12/blm-told-to-stand-down-at-bundy-ranch/

 

Would it have happened if the people hadn't done what they did?

 

TCassidy, I have to freely admit that I am not an expert on how it all works and did have a couple facts of the case not quite right. While I was for this guy, my understanding tends to lean towards the positives of the BLM and how they work, as it was management within there that taught me how they function. Still, what was happening in this case felt inherently wrong...and didn't go with the limited knowledge I do have.

Stuff like this can get a little fuzzy, so please forgive those that haven't got it all straight. It may sound like it should be straight forward, but nothing is straight forward anymore when it comes to understanding our rights and how the government works. Sometimes, it takes something like this to realize what we need to educate ourselves on. Was anyone really thinking, two months ago, that they needed to be keenly aware of the BLM and what happened in this specific area of Nevada decades ago in order to help defend a fellow citizen?

Please be patient with those that aren't as knowledgeable in a certain area as yourself... :flower:

 

these people should be sued by the aggrieved parties mentioned above, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
wait, the law ?
we have that ?
oh, yeah, they're the law.
my bad.