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Featured Word Study G3724, “horizo”

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Van, Aug 9, 2014.

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    Hi Yeshua1, my kind of word study considers every verse where the word under study appears. Since this is something you seem unable to do, one must consider that you are posting fiction once again.
     
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    And you use the contex and syntex/grammar that is there, along with the lexicon, correct?
     
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    Words have historical meanings, usually a range of meaning. They also come in differing forms to indicate plural or singular, active or passive, (or middle) tense indicated when the action took or is taking place, etc. The context points to which of the historical word meanings is most probable as the intended message. But you do not look just at the context of the passage being studied, you look at how the word is used by the same author in all his passages, and even to every usage by every author in scripture. Word studies are exhaustive, no usage is neglected in our search for truth.
     
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    But how the contex is, and how the author tends to use it, is the most important thing to consider, correct?
     
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    No, presenting the intended message of the inspired words chosen by God is the most important thing to consider.
     
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    You look at isolated word chunks and neglect the context many times Van.
     
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    Anyone can claim, "oh you too it out of context." Just another "taint so" post.

    Word studies look at how the word or phrase under study is used contextually in every usage in the book or by the author or throughout the entire bible.
     
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    So, you wish the issue to just go away. You hope that no one else is watching that you do violence to context in many of your word studies.

    Your classic flub concerns 1 Peter 2:8 which you insistently say deals with the subject of fauth vs. works. Yet the context has absolutely nothing to do with that topic whatsoever. Yes, Van, your habit is to force your assertions in spots where no such doctrine is even mentioned.
     
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    Yet another change the subject post, with the off the shelf claim, oh you took that out of context. Then you claim you know what 1 Peter 2:8 is talking about, which of course has nothing to do with this thread. Good grief.
     
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    The above is from my post #16 wherein "specified plan" and "prior knowledge" falls way too short of theological orthodoxy.
     
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    Van is trying SO Hard to get us to say those "calvinistic bias" in som eof the modern versions!
     
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    Yet another change the subject post from the spewers of hate speech, with no action taken by anyone to defend word study!

    Now they deny Christ was put to death by the specified plan and prior knowledge of God as clearly prophesied in Isaiah 53. Do you suppose they did not know Christ's death was specified in scripture?
    Who has believed what he has heard from us? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed. ​
     
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    All Scripture Citations Are From The NIV

    Wow, your translation efforts are way out of kilter. Christ was put to death in this way: "This man was handed over to you by God's deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross." (Acts 2:23)

    "By God's deliberate plan and foreknowledge." That's what it's about. His predetermined plan,counsel or purpose coupled with His foreknowledge.

    To reword and deconstruct as you are in the habit of doing is disgraceful Van. Your campaign falls way too short of theological orthodoxy.
     
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    You have got to love them, folks. God specified His plan in Isaiah 53, but that fact is left out of the translation.

    And then, once again Rippon spews hate speech, bashing Van.
     
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    What are you talking about Van? There are 12 verses in Isaiah 53, what renderings to you object to in all translations including your favorites?
    Why do you refer to yourself in the third person? The next step is for you to put a definite article before your handle.
     
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    Did you note the fabrication? God's specified plan was not specified in Isaiah 53. Is that what I said? Nope.

    All Rippon does is throw up absurdity to disparage Truth.
     
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    You had said that God had "specified His plan in Isaiah 53, but that fact is left out of the translation."

    I had asked for clarification of that mysterious statement. What translation? You used the definite article of the translation. I has asked what verse or verse in Isaaiah 53 --there are 12 of them. Ironically you speak of specification, yet you aren't being very specific.
     
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    Does anyone else even care about Bible Study, word study, and building up the body of Christ.

    God's inspired word presents His message. If we spend a little time in study, prayer, meditation, and seek the advice of more mature Christians, we can grow spiritually.

    G3724, Horizo, appears, in slightly different forms, in eight verses. Its root meaning is to establish or designate conditions or boundaries. Modern translations translate it with a slew of different words, from ordain, to appoint, to designate, determine, decide, decree, declare, fix and set. If the circumstance refers to a past action of God as revealed in scripture, the idea seems to be “specified.” If a current action, then determined or declared captures the idea of the word. If the action is by people, then “decide or decided” seems like an accurate rendition of the intended word meaning.
     
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    Think about it Van.
     
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    Does anyone else even care about Bible Study, word study, and building up the body of Christ.

    God's inspired word presents His message. If we spend a little time in study, prayer, meditation, and seek the advice of more mature Christians, we can grow spiritually.

    G3724, Horizo, appears, in slightly different forms, in eight verses. Its root meaning is to establish or designate conditions or boundaries. Modern translations translate it with a slew of different words, from ordain, to appoint, to designate, determine, decide, decree, declare, fix and set. If the circumstance refers to a past action of God as revealed in scripture, the idea seems to be “specified.” If a current action, then determined or declared captures the idea of the word. If the action is by people, then “decide or decided” seems like an accurate rendition of the intended word meaning.
     
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