Socialism in America

[glfredrick]

Originally Posted by Earth, Wind & Fire

The Liberal media will never allow Rick S passage to the presidency....I saw that last night while watching the news & again in the morning. It amazes me how much weight they have with the viewing public.

This election cycle has already broken all the rules (except the one about Ron Paul).

[glfredrick]

Originally Posted by Paul3144

I think what all you people don't get is that democratic socialism fully supports individual liberties. I'm a socialist and a strong supporter of protecting civil liberties. I fully support the United States Constitution and the Constitution of the State of Florida. When I was a decennial Census worker I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

What I want to do is extend democratic principles into the economy. We know that cooperative institutions can work. For example, the credit union movement has been very successful. Credit unions didn't wreck the economy; the big banks did. I'm a member of a small credit union for people with my religious affiliation. I love my credit union because I get good service from the employees and I get a free share draft account with a debit card.

The only downside is sometimes people look down on me for being a socialist. I see it on this board sometimes. One time, I told someone from church that I'm a socialist and now she thinks I'm a weirdo.

No... It GIVES THE IMPRESSION that it supports liberty because the people still have some say in the election of their masters.

The ENTIRE concept of socialism, from beginning to end, has its roots in utopian centralized control by an individual or group of individuals OVER and ABOVE the general populace, who "naturally" do not know what is best for them.

Contrast that worldview with John Locke, who promulgated the founding view of America, in that ALL PEOPLE have GOD-GIVEN rights that government cannot control, and those rights are individual freedom, liberty, and the ability to prosper towards a happy life because "naturally" men desire to be their own masters instead of serving masters.

[glfredrick]

Originally Posted by Paul3144

The United States can be best described as a democratic republic.

We were never even intended to be a democratic Republic.

Our Framers wrote the Constitution so that our representatives, including the POTUS would be selected by persons who understood the process and who supported the right of the states in an anti-federalist manner.

Senators were appointed by the STATES. The President was (and still is) elected by the electors, not by popular vote. Only the House of Representatives was directly elected in a democratic fashion, and all of the above was to insure the true balance of power -- something that has since been overturned.

[billwald]

>>The United States can be best described as a democratic republic.

>We were never even intended to be a democratic Republic.


We are a country of laws and the laws we have are a direct logical result of the 2nd US Revolution which produced the Constitution.