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CREEPY!!! Obama is Watching You!!!

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by LadyEagle, Jun 9, 2012.

  1. blackbird

    blackbird Active Member

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    Here's whats waiting the "Washington Dream Team" when they come up my driveway to "Get" me!!!


    www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtbdfypVy38


    :saint::saint::saint:
     
  2. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

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    :laugh: That was hilarious!
     
  3. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

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    Exactly. It's none of his business how my mother voted (as per the article -- CHICAGO — On the sixth floor of a sleek office building here, more than 150 techies are quietly peeling back the layers of your life. They know what you read and where you shop, what kind of work you do and who you count as friends. They also know who your mother voted for in the last election.).

    What I do as a law abiding citizen is none of obama's business. I sense something more sinister than crafting a campaign ad, because this man and his administration are sinister. This data mining is just the start, IMO.....

    No doubt the "data mining" from the insurance companies helped to craft some of obamacare. Data mining from medical records has been going on for years. What is being done here for political or other sinister purposes is a far cry from general demographics, it is an invasion of our privacy.
     
  4. Crabtownboy

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    View:

    http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_kovacs_tracking_the_trackers.html

    It is not anyone's business where you go on the web, but commercial corporations are tracking you. Does this bother you also?

    I am sure Republicans are also tracking voters. Does this bother you?

    From the article you quoted:

    Does it bother you that Romney and the Republicans are doing the same thing ... and playing catch-up?
     
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  5. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

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    Yes, it does, to all of your questions.
     
  6. HankD

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    OK, AAMVA and TSA are foundational entities of the megadata collection.

    The principles of the use thereof is the subjective part which is a Work In Progress (WIP).

    We have to make the presumption that Obama has access to the AAMVA data bank (actually it is more of a data cloud) should he want it - after all he is the president.

    The data base selection metrics could be keyed on demographic information like "senior citizens" and/or "religious affiliation" (e.g. Which state has the most Baptists of senior citizen age?), as well as if/and/or SQL data extraction scripts, etc.

    How they would use that information to target (oops bad word) $$$ to impact that sector is another issue involving information technology arts and sciences.

    Also, the database is clearly lacking robustness and presently even skeletal but most of the collection software is in place and regularly executed to update the data base.

    All this under the premise (or pretence) that every bit of this data is for the benefit of your protection from those who create "man made disasters" (AKA "terrorists") on a micro population scale and to monitor inter and intra-national vehicular movement.

    And so it truly is, but in the mean time George Orwell (1984) was right about Big Brother coming into our homes (snooping into kitchens, bedrooms, bathrooms, attics and garages, etc) to insure that we are not practicing "crimethink", he was just a few years off.

    And then there is the TSA (which BTW is also coming soon to your local train and bus depot) to insure that you are authorized to travel about.

    HankD
     
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  7. matt wade

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    :laugh::laugh:

    So what information is the Obama re-election campaign using again? Do you have any facts to back up all your conspiracy theories?
     
  8. HankD

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    Data collection of the American citizenry is not a theory and is not conspiratorial but public at every level of government from cradle to grave.

    When you are born, when you marry, when you get a SS card, when you answer the census form, when you get a job, when you file your taxes, when you get a drivers license, when you get a passport, when you get your death certificate, etc, etc, etc...

    I gave you the information and the public websites of the current efforts to link these data collection effort entities into a singular federal AAMVA data cloud/bank.

    I personally have worked as a software architect/engineer team member developing this software.

    I already admited that I don't know if the Obama election campaign is using the software and can only conjecture that if he is indeed using the software as to which elements which would be extracted and analyzed and which of the many methods of extraction is available to him (as well as the RNC).

    Senior citizen demography and metrics are high on the list of both parties.

    Did you have doubt about the TSA expanding to other forms of travel?:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/20/nation/la-na-terror-checkpoints-20111220

    HankD
     
  9. matt wade

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    So, then you have no information about the Obama re-election campaign? Everything you offer is about another group? Doesn't sound like anyone can back up the OP with any sort of facts.
     
  10. targus

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    My guess is that Obama and the Dems are gathering as much information as possible on the deceased so that they can get them registered as voters and voting by November. :laugh:
     
  11. billwald

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    No need to read past the first paragraph of the story, "They also know who your mother voted for in the last election."

    Only Targus could believe that.
     
  12. HankD

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    Correct, I can only support the fact that software and software services are available for the kind and depth of the activity described in the O/P.

    Folks will just have to choose (or not) to trust the Politico blurb referenced in the O/P for accuracy of the facts and links they present.

    I believe the DNC is involved in such research and analysis but on the other hand I'm sure the RNC has their own version as well.

    HankD
     
  13. matt wade

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    As billwald pointed out, should we trust an article that makes an absurd statement such as "They also know who your mother voted for in the last election."? Are we now to believe that a person's vote is not private any longer?
     
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    Where do you get that idea?

    I doubt that Obama and his crew have a clue about anything that they do...

    Why would this escapade be any different?

    Starting the count down for this to blow up in his face like everything else that he does.
     
  15. HankD

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    Bill and I are from the State of Washington which maintains a voter data base (The VRDB). We no longer "go to the polls" but use mail-in ballots.

    http://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/vrdb/default.aspx

    http://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/pdf/VRDB%20Letter%20Document.pdf

    The VRDB is linked with several other state and federal data collection entities e.g. The SSA, DOL, DOT, DOC and others.

    So, yes, it is entirely feasible to build a family member data tree from the data cloud although since the ballots themselves are presently not identifiable as to voter, one's vote can only be a presumption based upon party affiliation.

    I am not sure about future plans as many WA State agencies want the voters voting history as a population entity. Therefore linking the voters ID to his/her ballot. A big effort which (if it passes) I will probably bid on.

    So bill and matt, the federal database/cloud grows day by day as they gather and centralize (through cloud software) more and more data concerning you and yours, me and mine.

    HankD
     
  16. matt wade

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    So what you are telling me is that the article has a bogus claim that Obama's re-election campaign knows who my mother voted for.
     
  17. HankD

    HankD Well-Known Member
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    At best it is only partially true, it depends on the individual states and what data they provide the feds.

    As of yet (I don't know for sure because I haven't done a WA State contract for a few months) and as far as I know WA does not link voter ID and ballot although it's possible. Other states? - I don't know that either. I do know that the VRDB directive was a mandate to all states.

    So, if WA (or any other state) includes ballots along with the voter ID in their database, then yes it is possible for a federal agency to mine out that data or indicate the lack of same (i.e. mother failed to vote last year, is deceased).

    HankD
     
  18. LadyEagle

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    And the issue of voting records was reported as being "public knowledge" during the Wisconsin recall election just a few days ago. Don't know if those records show your actual votes or just which party you are registered. They do know which party you are registered as because Republicans send us info all the time as well as fund raising phone calls. Don't get calls from Dems.
     
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