Featured NET Bible Vs. NASBU

You speak in a confusing manner. "A modern English idiom." The word 'live' is not an idiom. It is a translation of an ancient Greek text. How is it incorrect?

To walk as many translations render many Bible passages (the NIV uses it hundreds of times) is fine. But it means the way in which we live or conduct our lives. Live in such a way as to...

Huh? I cited the ESV,NRSV and HCSB. They are certainly not dynamic.

Using skilled or expert is perfectly acceptable. Skilled does not relate only to learnedness. As a matter of fact. I think you know this. Check out some famous Old Testament passages in which modern versions use the word skilled. See if it has anything to do with learnedness. You leave yourself wide open when you insist it relates only to learnedness.

Speaking of needing clarification --could you run that past me one more time? Please rephrase.

So you assert.

Preferred by you at least.

Of course it fits the context. The people, the society of Ninevah are the ones referenced. The Darby New Testament, which is considered to be even more literal than the ASV has it simply rendered "Ninevites" not men or males.

Really? Almost exclusively, huh? At least you have not taken an absolutest stance as you did earlier.

Do some more research and you'll find that the use of the word people in the N.T. is not relegated to the translation of the word laos.

You see, here is where you foul up. Your allegation is senseless. I wish you had a sit-down with the translators and tell them the same thing face-to-face. You need to eat some humble pie tnd.

That's true.

You are engaging in senselessness once more tnd. All languages change over the course of time. The feminists are a minority. They did not single-handedly bring about the prevailing current use of human race,humanity,people or any other words that you are uncomfortable with due to your sentimental attachment with tradition.

What is apparent is that you have no sound discernment so you want to sling mud instead.

That's not how translation is done. Sure lexicons are necessary in translations. But the process is not done in such a mechanical manner.

Sure I can refute it. There are many idioms that cannot be translated literally. There are others such as this one that should not be translated literally because Old Testament idioms do not mean what they say.

Simply put --Job did not sin by anything he said. It's not complicated tnd.

It's just that you are the only one who has called it the NEV --that's all.

 

Those were good examples itl.

Very compelling itl. Unfortunately some will just not get it.

 

You made the above comment regarding Matthew 12:41.
From the wonderful little book called How to Choose a Translation for All Its Worth, by Gordon Fee and Mark L. Strauss.
"In some passages it is difficult to determine whether the reference is to men only or to both men and women. In such cases translators must make a decision based on a careful examination of the context. While the Greek noun aner (plural:andres) normally means 'man,' in some contexts it may refer to people in general. For example, in Matthew 12:41 Jesus says, 'the men [andres] of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it' (NIV; cf. RSV, NASU,HCSB). Since females were among those converted at Nineveh, the sense here seems to be 'people' (TNIV, NET, NKLT, GNT, CEV, NCV,NRSV)." (p.102)

The above was reference you made to Gen. 6:7. Indeed, the Hebrew adam.

"The Hebrew term adam, like the Greek anthropos, usually carries an inclusive sense,referring to both men and women. When in Genesis 6:7 the Lord says, 'I will blot out man [adam] whom I have created' (NASU;cf. NKJV,ESV,RSV, HCSB), it is both males and females who will be judged. The NLT accurately renders, 'I will completely wipe out this huiman race that I hav ecreated' (cf. TNIV, NET, GW, GNT,CEV). The phrase, 'Whoever sheds the blood of man [adam]' in Genesis 9:6 (ESV) means 'whoever sheds human blood' (TNIV; cf. NLT, NRSV, GW)." (p. 99 of the same book by Fee and Strauss).

 

I seriously doubt an old, often-seen chart will blow anyone's mind. And I don't know of anyone on the BB who thinks that the ESV and HCSB are more dynamic than formal.

But a few corrections should be noted.

The ESV and NRSV are siblings and should be much closer on the chart.

The HCSB should be placed within the balanced translations.

The NJB should be several clicks to the right of the NIV/TNIV.

The NCV/ICB should be to the right of the NLT.

The NKJV should be moved a slight bit to the left of the NASB.

Even this old chart, as error-filled as it is, does not place the NIV and TNIV in the T-F-T realm. And they are not in the W-F-W area either. How in the world you make your determinations is puzzling.

And by what authority are you judging the 84 NIV and TNIV to be "questionable as to accuracy' tnd?

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The rendering above and your comments on the same are diametrically opposed to one another.

It makes me wonder if you can understand basic English.

The only one who is "misunderstanding" elementary English is tnd.

 

The NASB snip will be above and the NET extract will be below.

These items are from Acts.

1:9
a cloud received Him out of their sight
a cloud hid him from their sight

1:15
in the midst of the brethren
among believers

The remaining snips are from chapter 2.

vs 3
And there appeared to them tongues as of fire
And tongues spreading out like a fire appeared to them

7
Why, are not all these who are speaking Galileans?
aren't all these who are speaking Galileans?

12
they all continued in amazement and great perplexity
All were astounded and greatly confused

15
it is only the third hour of the day
it is only nine o'clock in the morning

24
received his word
accepted his message

 

The NASB clip will be atop the NET snip.

Deut. 15:7
nor close your hand from your poor brother
or be insensitive to his impoverished condition

Jer. 12:6
have dealt treacherously with you. Even they have cried aloud after you.
have betrayed you too. Even they have plotted to do away with you.

Jer. 12:2
You are near to their lips,but far from their mind.
They always talk about you,but they really care nothing about you.

Esther 2:21
sought to lay hands on
plotted to assassinate

 

Snips from the NASB above and snips from the NET Bible below.

Luke 7:1
all his discourse in the hearing of the people
all this to the people

Is. 22:17
O man. And He is about to grasp you firmly.
you mere man! He will wrap you up tightly.

Phil. 4:11
Not that I speak from want
I am not saying this because I am in need

Phil 4:12
learned the secret of being filled and going hungry,both of having abundance and suffering need
learned the secret of being content --whether I go satisfied or hungry, have plenty or nothing.

 

NASB extract at ther top and NET snip below.

Ps. 94:9
He who planted the ear
the one who makes the ear

Pro. 30:26
The shephanim are not mighty people
rack badgers are creatures with little power

Hosea 8:4
I did not know it
without my approval

Amos 4:6
I gave you also cleannes of teeth
I gave you no food to eat

Gal. 6:12
a good showing in the flesh
a good showing in external matters

1 Tim. 3:8
not double-tongued
not two-faced

 

Thanks Franklin,for the added perspective of Mounce which needs to be understood by many Christains these days.