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Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Revmitchell, Jun 26, 2015.

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  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    #1 Revmitchell, Jun 26, 2015
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    Not a surprise.

    All of the "Defense of Marriage" rulings that put the government in charge of defining marriage laid the legal groundwork for this decision.
     
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    Now we need a constitutional amendment saying that marriage is only one man and one woman.
     
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    Like BaptistBeliever said, "No surprise."

    And I'm going to get sick to the point of hurling if I hear one Christian complain about this or get "offended" or talk about how "bad" our nation is

    Where was the church on the Wednesday night and the Thursday night prior to the vote that we all knew was coming?

    Where was the church on the Sunday before this vote?

    Were the church houses bursting at the seams to overflow with God's people praying our hearts out - crying out to God to save us and deliver us? Was the church confessing it's OWN sins out to God in mass corporate prayer? Was the church seeking God as a body and bride?

    No.

    The church was on vacation. Playing t-ball. Bowling. At the movies. Making dinner. Watching TV. Reading mystery novels. Sleeping. Buying groceries. Writing love letters. Living out our normal secular routine.

    And the devil and his world were living out theirs.

    The church didn't show one shred of concern.

    I double-dog dare them to show any shock and offense now.
     
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    So the BIG Elephant in the room is can they threaten jail or sew Pastors now?
     
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    Exactly. If a pastor refuses to marry a same-s3x couple, is that pastor denying them their civil rights? Either way, I think I'm done marrying people. Take your piece of paper that was issued by the State and ask an agent of the State to marry you.
     
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    The way to defend against this is to simply make it a policy that the pastor will not marry anyone who is not a member of the church.
     
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    They will join just to make an incadent!
     
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    They cannot join if we do not want them too.
     
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    I'm not sure even that would do it now. There were states that put into their constitutions that marriage was between one man and one woman, and the 10th amendment should have upheld those but the SCOTUS over through that. Of course the 10th amendment has been ignored by liberals and the SCOTUS for years now.
     
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    We were promised dark days. We're here.

    Sent from my KFTT using Tapatalk
     
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    Yep, it is fixing to get real dark. Even still God is on the throne.
     
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    I hope your right BUT you're not dealing with rational people anymore as you know "Discrimination" is the new battelcry of racist and perverts alike.
     
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    Okay, it sounds like many people here are assuming that the government can force a pastor to marry same-gender couples. That is unlikely since the government does not require pastors to marry anyone. Moreover, the First Amendment still exists.

    For the sake of helpful and honest discussion, I have quickly reviewed the Court decision and the dissenting opinions and have pulled out relevant sections regarding religious liberty concerns. Please note, I have removed some of the citations from the quotes to improve readability:

    From the majority opinion which has the force of law (page 27):
    From the dissenting opinion of Chief Justice Alito (pages 27-28):
    From the dissenting opinion of Justice Thomas (pages 14-16):
     
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  17. Revmitchell

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    COLUMBUS, Ohio (BP) -- The current and 16 former Southern Baptist Convention presidents released a statement on biblical marriage and the national implications of same-sex marriage in a June 17 news conference prior to the concluding sessions of the SBC annual meeting in Columbus, Ohio.

    SBC President Ronnie Floyd moderated the news conference, attended by eight of the former presidents.

    The full statement follows:

    As Southern Baptist Christians, we are committed to Biblical faith and ethics. As a result, this body of Believers stands on the authority of Scripture and God's Truth as central to our lives.

    What the Bible says about marriage is clear, definitive and unchanging. We affirm biblical, traditional, natural marriage as the uniting of one man and one woman in covenant commitment for a lifetime. The Scriptures' teaching on marriage is not negotiable. We stake our lives upon the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus.

    Consequently, we will not accept, nor adhere to, any legal redefinition of marriage issued by any political or judicial body including the United States Supreme Court. We will not recognize same-sex "marriages", our churches will not host same-sex ceremonies, and we will not perform such ceremonies.

    While we affirm our love for all people, including those struggling with same-sex attraction, we cannot and will not affirm the moral acceptability of homosexual behavior or any behavior that deviates from God's design for marriage. We also believe religious freedom is at stake within this critical issue – that our first duty is to love and obey God, not man.

    Therefore, we strongly encourage all Southern Baptist pastors, leaders, educators, and churches to openly reject any mandated legal definition of marriage and to use their influence to affirm God's design for life and relationships. As the nation's largest non-Catholic denomination with over 16 million members, we stake our very lives and future on the Truth of God's Word.

    We also join together to support those who stand for natural marriage in the corporate world, the marketplace, education, entertainment, media and elsewhere with our prayers and influence, and resources.

    Former SBC presidents signing the statement are Bailey E. Smith, SBC president, 1981-82; James T. Draper Jr., 1983-84; Charles F. Stanley, 1985-86; Jerry Vines, 1989-90; Morris H. Chapman, 1991-92; H. Edwin Young, 1993-94; James B. Henry, 1995-96; Tom Elliff, 1997-98; Paige Patterson, 1999-2000; James Merritt, 2001-02; Jack Graham, 2003-04; Bobby Welch, 2005-06; Frank S. Page, 2007-08; Johnny M. Hunt, 2009-10; Bryant Wright, 2011-12; and Fred Luter, 2013-14.



    http://www.bpnews.net/45010/fla-presidents-affirm-natl-marriage-statement
     
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    I do wonder what kind of Pandora box the SCOTUS has just opened up. By declaring marriage a fundamental Right, there will not be liberals who will say that it is the governments job to make marriage happen if a person wants. So what happens if person A ask person B to marry them and person B says no, could not person A argue that person B is denying them their right to marriage. Liberals are crazy when it comes to their perceived Rights.
     
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    According to what I have found it says in an article:

     
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    Absolutely correct.

    Just continue to preach the Gospel. Not even the SCOTUS can change God's word.:thumbs:
     
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