The New NIV Compared With The TNIV And ESV

Is that clear?

 

Do you get the picture?

 

Snips

Again, I have gleaned the following data from Robert Slowley.

I will show where the 1984 NIV and TNIV wording is identical, but where the 2011 NIV differs. The 84/TNIV above and the 2011 edition below.

Gen.

2:25
The man
Adam
3:5
of it
from it
4:1
mark seasons
mark sacred times
8:19
on the earth
on land
9:3
moves
moves about
15:5
heavens
sky
17:26
same day
very day
23:15
me and you?
you and me?
24:14
girl
young woman
31:28
good-by
goodbye
25:11
will come from your body
will be among your descendants
37:3
ricly ornamented robe
ornate robe
38:30
given the name
named

 

Boy, you never interact with what I actually post. The old expression of "In one ear and out the other." doesn't even apply to you. It doesn't even enter your consciousness. That's the first step of the process for most people. Therefore you cannot retain what you have never actually read. You quote my posts and yet you register no sign of life.

I have said this before. Is the 1984 NIV some kind of Gold Standard with you regarding inclusive language? Since the ESV and HCSB use more inclusive language than the 84 NIV --does that mean they do not measure-up to your standard of the proper level of inclusive language?

Is the NET Bible on your no-no list also? It registers with just a little less inclusive language than the 2011 NIV.

Since the NLT uses more inclusive renderings than the TNIV --does that make it liberal in your eyes?

The old Modern Language Bible of 1969 used more inclusive language than the present-day ESV. Has it crossed your line of acceptability? Just what is your line?

Too many questions for you to digest? Try line-by-line.

 

Why is it such a problem for you to answer direct questions?

It has a smidgeon more inclusive language than the NET Bible and about 15% less than the TNIV. Is the NET Bible worthy of your condemnation on that account?

I have asked you several times already --Is the 1984 NIV your Gold Standard when it comes to the amount of inclusive language you find acceptable? The ESV and HCSB use more inclusive language than does the 1984 NIV. Do you have a problem with that?

I have gone over this innumerable times with you Mr. Wall. Do you still wish to claim amnesia?

And I have asked you countless times to do your homework and specify why.

Your own words :"in many ways" --so get to work and itemize some of these "many ways."

 

You ask the same questions over and over but don't have the capacity to answer clear questions.

The 1977 NASB has even less I.L. than the 1984 NIV. Is the 1984 NIV guilty in your eyes of going too soft on I.L.?

Should the ESV and HCSB scale-back their inclusive language renderings to the level of the 1984 NIV? Yes or no. Give reasons.

You are strange.

The 2011 NIV scaled-back the inclusive renderings of the TNIV --about 15% less according to some. So the new edition lessened the amount of I.L. as compared with the prior edition --not more.

 

Please answer the above.

Do you acknowledge the truthfulness of the above?

 

Answer the above. Don't duck and hide.

Please answer my questions. That's the purpose of a forum. Don't quote me and then turn around and not deal with what I have asked. Be honest and organized.

 

Exodus

In the following snips the 1984 NIV and TNIV are the same. The 2011 differs.

The 84NIV/TNIV reading will be above and the 2011 reading below.

2:1
house
tribe

2:8
and
so

2:12
glancing
looking

6:3
known
fully known

12:43
Passover
Passover meal

12:45
eat of it
eat it

12:46
one house
the house

14:31
great power
mighty hand

15:25
became sweet
became fit to drink

18:12
eat bread
eat a meal
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"They've changed the 1984 NIV in so many verses!"

Yeah, that's been the rallying cry. I'm just giving you the raw data. The hue and cry has been a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

 

Congrats! You have finally answered one of my questions without your normal evasive routine. The 1984 NIV is your Gold Standard --your line in the sand which should not be crossed with respect to the amount of inclusive language that is allowed in a Bible translation.

The question is: What about the ESV and HCSB? They both use more inclusive language than the 1984 NIV. They have crossed your line. So they must also be considered inferior to you in that regard. Remember, you need to be consistent.

As I have told you repeatedly --your frequent use of the exclamation mark is absurd. You use it much too often after having said something of little significance.

Here is what some have said regarding the 2011 NIV:

Rod Decker :"Overall, however, it is an improvement of an otherwise fine translation."

Thomas P. Nass : "We believe that no other current translation would be a significant improvement over the NIV...When we apply the evaluative critera...we believe the NIV emerges as the better option."

Craig Blomberg : I am convinced that the updated NIV achieves the best combination of accuracy and clarity of meaning most frequently...the updated NIV seems to serve best the broadest cross-section of purposes and audiences."

 

Please tell us how the NIV is more liberal than the NIV.

Do you also think the NKJV is more conservative than the HCSB?

Consulting the NLT often would be a good idea for one who has been a Christian for a good number of years.