? What does T.U.L.I.P. stand for?

[mr. messy]

? What does T.U.L.I.P. stand for? This seems to be a condensation of John Calvin's teaching in a certain format...?

I am not a 5 point Calvinist.

Are there 5 similar points for the Wesleyans* [to keep it simple for me on the name's group] ?

Correct if I am wrong but my faulty memory would attempt to give the T.U.L.I.P. list as follows:

T may stand for the total depravity of men ? ?

U may stand for ? ? I have forgotten. ?

L may stand for the limited atonement of Christ?

I may stand for the irresistible call ? of Christ ?

P may stand for the persuversance? [my spelling is not correct] of the saints ?

If you help me, I would appreciate it.

Could you give me a link to the Calvinist point of view?

Could you give me a link to the non-Calvinist point of view?

Thanks again,

mr. messy

[Matt Black]

T is total depravity - kind of similar to original sin I guess

U is unlimited grace

L is limited atonement - Jesus only died for some people not for all, apparently

I is irresistible grace ie: God does everything and those who are saved are incapable of being lost

P is perseverance of the saints which flows from I ie: once saved always saved

Most Christians would take issue with the L, and many also with the I and P.

[standingfirminChrist]

Teenagers
Unearthed
Litigants
Infesting
probables

[Helen]

This may help:
http://www.reformed.org/calvinism/ -- pro
http://www.faithalone.org/journal/1995ii/Congdon.htm -- con

By the way, TULIP stands for

Total Depravity

Unconditional Election

Limited Atonement

Irresistible Grace

Perseverance of the Saints

[Jim1999]

Mr. Messy, This site is an overview of both Calvinism and Arminian "tulip".

http://www.tulipedia.org/TULIP_Overv...Juxtapositions

Cheers,

Jim

[DeclareHim]

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
Teenagers
Unearthed
Litigants
Infesting
probables

This is really unkind of you sir. I could say IFBC stands for
Icompetent
Fools
Believing
C***

As a Church that follows John Piper's theology we are clavinist and I don't like you mockery of this position. But I do not believe IFBC stands for the above I was just trying to make a point.

[***Edited by Moderator. The word you typed is not suitable for use in this forum or anywhere on the BB. Please be more careful in your choice of words.]

[ March 03, 2006, 02:51 AM: Message edited by: Bible-boy ]

[Ray Berrian]

mr. messy,

You said, 'What does T.U.L.I.P. stand for?'

Tulip is just happy being a flower. The flower does not like being purloined by John Calvin's Roman Catholic medieval theology first taught by St. Augustine--the greatest Catholic quasi-theologian of all times.

.

[Deacon]

Originally posted by DeclareHim:
This is really unkind of you sir. I could say IFBC stands for
Icompetent
Fools
Believing
C***

Please forgive my brother StandingfirminChrist, he got carried away with an acronym game in another forum.

(and he beat me to posting along a similar line)

Rob

[ March 03, 2006, 02:52 AM: Message edited by: Bible-boy ]

[standingfirminChrist]

You could say that? Looks like you already did.

Any true Bible believer knows the TULIP doctrine is not scripturally based.

[Timtoolman]

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
You could say that? Looks like you already did.

Any true Bible believer knows the TULIP doctrine is not scripturally based.

Most of them anyways.