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Old 09-10-2002, 09:54 AM
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I have a friend who thinks that the people in heaven can see us here on earth and know what we are doing.

Scripture: Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with a great cloud of witnesses.........

What do you think?
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Old 09-10-2002, 12:51 PM
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Hmmm. The Bible is not clear on the issue. Since the only people who know for sure are dead, I guess we won't know for sure until we die.

I'm reminded of Star Trek 4, where Dr McCoy wants to discuss Spock's death and coming back to life. Spock tells him that he wouldnt be able to discuss it with him "without a common frame of reference". McCoy's reply is "You mean I have to die to discuss your insights on death??"
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Old 09-10-2002, 01:08 PM
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I really, really hope not.
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Old 09-10-2002, 02:58 PM
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I really don't know--I sort of hope not, too.

But I believe that verse is speaking specifically about the OT saints who are witnesses TO us (their lives are a testimony of enduring faith), rather than about them being witnesses OF us.

[ September 10, 2002, 04:31 PM: Message edited by: russell55 ]
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Old 09-10-2002, 03:06 PM
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I think about this at times. My first husband was
only 29.5, on the dot, when he was killed; today,
his little girl turned 30. I wonder what it is like to
be a 29-year-old father to a 30-year-old and
what it is like to be a 29-year-old grandpa to a
13-year-old! 8o) I wonder if Pat knows he has
five grandchildren. I wonder if he met them
before I did.

I wonder if Pat knew how his two children grew
up, that they were a joy and great gifts to me. I
wonder if he knows that his little boy, age two
when Pat died, is a perfect image of him, with
even his whacked-out sense of humor, who
took up the same work as Pat did, sounds like
Pat, and uses the same expressive terms Pat
did, like "Aw, Guts!" when he is upset.

I wonder if he knows I am happy. If he knows
that I purposely did not remarry until I worked
a lot of things out. If he looks forward to
seeing me again. If he and my present hus-
band's wife have met and are friends.

And I don't know.

But there are times when I look up and ask our
God to just say hi to him for me. I ask Him to
give Pat some special blessing of His choice
once in a while. And I admit that I ask Him to
let Pat know that I still love him.

I hope that in eternity, we will all be a foursome.
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Old 09-10-2002, 03:28 PM
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Revelation 21
4And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.

In heaven there is no sorrow, right? And even though it's a nice thought to think that your loved ones can still see you and other family members, as if they are watching over you somehow, wouldn't it only bring them sorrow in several ways? I know that if I could see all the trials of my loved ones after I had passed away, it would probably bring me sorrow.
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Old 09-10-2002, 03:31 PM
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I agree Suelyn.
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Old 09-10-2002, 05:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Thankful:
I have a friend who thinks that the people in heaven can see us here on earth and know what we are doing.

Scripture: Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with a great cloud of witnesses.........

What do you think?
You are taking that verse way out of context... I don't know the answer to your question, but the verse you quote has nothing to do with it.

Eric
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Old 09-10-2002, 05:47 PM
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so agree with Suelyn.
Is it because I am English that I think some of the comments are so way out [img]graemlins/type.gif[/img]
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Old 09-10-2002, 06:26 PM
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Those who have lost a loved one often try to
hold to any little thought that they can, just to
try to have a connection, even when they know
that "connection" is imaginary. For myself, no, I
don't really believe that Pat looks down and sees
us here, but I can wish. 8o) The thought is
pleasant and comforting.

The study of the dead in our Lord is one I have
never undertaken; perhaps I should, but I have
actualy chosen ignorance of it. Why? Because
not knowing is not a salvific issue, and ignor-
ance, in this case, is bliss. Why? Because as
long as I don't KNOW, then I can imagine that
he thinks of his children, and of me, and that he
knows his grandchildren.

So come on, people! Don't burst my bubble of
chosen ignorance!

[ September 10, 2002, 07:15 PM: Message edited by: Abiyah ]
 

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