The preserved Word of God for ? speaking people.

the unproved assumption is that the KJV's the preserved Word in the English.

can't speak for the Spanish, but that's being contradicted in the Chinese-speaking community by KJBOs seeking to overturn the Chinese Union Version w a new TR-based "preserved Word."

but why "Absolutely not" n "absurd"?

 

yes it is, actually (fr a biblical basis).

do let us know what u find out.

i wonder what makes u think so. was it the little question mark at the end?

 

not only that, Bob, but Tom seems to know me better than i know myself!

 

Oh come now, "overturn" the UV? That's pretty strong language.

 

um, doncha think they wld if they cld?

 

Pastor_Bob: //I would seek the counsel of Missionaries
or national pastors
who serve in these countries and accept their choice
of what they would consider to be the preserved Word of God.//

Amen, Brother Pastor_Bob -- Preach it!

1. I asked (via internet) my national Pastor in the City/Nation
of Singapore what was the preserved Word of God
for Singaporians. He said: New International
Version (NIV)

2. I asked a missionary to Renassance Fair
actors, Shakespearian players, and Jacobian Era speakers.
Her answer is: The KJV1611 Edition* is the preserved Word
of God. (*note: original Gothic format type only )

3. I asked a national Pastor (Southern Baptist)
and Missionary to 21st century (2001-2100) Oklahomans.
He says the Written Word of God is preserved in
the Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) of 2003.


Yes, friends, the miracle of Godly preservation of
His Holy Written Word is found in each of the
original language documents and in
each of the faithful translations.

 

Weeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllll. (Insert deeply thinking Japanese smiley.)

 

As to which Japanese Bible is the preserved Word of God, this depends on your presuppositions, as does your decision on which Bible (or Bibles) in any language is the preserved Word of God.

(1) If one believes that the KJV is inspired and inerrant, and that you should correct the Greek and Hebrew from it, then you will only be satisfied with a Bible in the language translated from the KJV. The only problem is that sometimes such versions are not nearly as good as the others. (Sometimes better, though, of course.) Here in Japan, the first complete Japanese Bible was the Motoyaku ("Original Translation"), which was translated from the KJV. Has it been preserved? No. It has been out of print since about 1920, because it had many errors and was replaced by a much better version (though alas, one from Nestle's in the NT). I looked in used book stores for four years before I found a Motoyaku NT.

(2) If one believes that the TR can be the only basis for God's Word for a language, he will choose a TR-based translation. In Japanese there has only been one of those, a NT-only (no OT) translation by a scholar named Nagai in the 1920's. It was done in classical Japanese, though, so even if it were still in print it would not be the Bible I would choose for my church. Only a few of my people would be able to read it with understanding.

(3) If one believes that (even preferring the TR) the nature of the translation and how faithful it is to the original languages is far more important than what text type the source language text was, then he will examine the available Bibles and make his choice based on translation method and accuracy. In Japan, this is the Shinkaiyaku, used by almost all Fundamental churches and most conservative evangelical ones. It is based on the English NASV translation method and does have some poor renderings, but it is the best available.

The thing is, if you choose #3 as your presupposition, your church can turn out very similar in beliefs to a church in the homeland which uses only the KJV--with the exception of the doctrine of preservation, which is completely not an issue in the Japanese churches at present.

Note that #3 is based on the belief that I have that God has given Man the task of preserving His Word on earth--which is not to say that He doesn't preserve His Word, of course.:type:

 

fwiw, this statement at D.A. Waite's site might be helpful:

http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/ForeignBibles/chinese_bible.htm

 

FYI, I read Chinese through a Japanese kanji lens with some knowledge of Chinese grammar--so I admit I don't catch it sometimes. Anyway, in the statement you quoted I didn't see a character meaning "topple" in there with the 和合本 as its direct object. So, am I missing something?

 

that one made me smile

 

Bro Ed, as one of the few singaporeans contributing on this board, I have to say: me thinks not!!! Me thinks he (or you?) overstated things. I would agree if he said that a majority of Christians in Singapore use the NIV but to say that Singaporeans take the NIV as the PRESERVED word of God, i can't agree. I don't think most christians (as in churched folks) even know this whole issue about the preservation of God's word.

 

thank you for that link! :thumbsup: I've got alot to learn but i support a chinese bible that is TR based. Anything else will come up short. :smilewinkgrin:

 

Just to clarify, what did you mean by 'overturn'?

 

u're welcome on the quote/link!

by overturn i mean to overthrow what's the currently preserved Word of God by labelling it a PERversion or corruption or somesuch insinuation. evidence of this is not wanting in the publications of Mrs "Dr" God-And Riplinger, Peter Ruckman, D.A. Waite, David Cloud, Jack Chick, et al.

there are many underhanded tactics currently employed to make non-TR or non-KJB versions look bad, n it seems that the CUV n other non-English Bibles won't be spared, if the KJBOs get their way.

but u're so right that the NIV cannot be said to be the preserved Word for Singaporeans--esp if most Singaporeans (incl many Christians) aren't really Christ's disciples to begin with. my guess is that job stability, academic success, social acceptance, etc., are far gter considerations in S'porean minds than, say, a theological n personal understanding of the Book of Job. the NIV, as u've correctly pointed out, is probably the most prevalent among the churches in S'pore.