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Old 12-25-2006, 10:25 PM
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Lightbulb Sunday School Lessons?

Would there be any interest out there for SS lessons, KJV, Many references, written by Dr. Roy Julian, a TTU (the old TTU), IFB pastor. Dr. Julian pastored Smyrna Baptist Church www.smyrnabaptist.org for 34 years before his Home-going in October 2006. I have been thinking that we may have 20 years of lessons stored, ready to place either in a loose leaf book, so the church could make copies, or maybe set up to download. They are set up in "series", such as the one we are starting for 2007, which will be a complete study of the Book of John.

The cover has a place for the Church name, date, a cartoon or puzzle and the church using it would customize it. Inside left page there is a "golden text", then some notes to teachers, the Aim of the Lesson, a list of other scriptures, a brief illustration or sidebar, then on the inside right page - the outline of the lesson with some notes and scripture references. The back cover has a quiz on the lesson...simple for anyone quiz, and a scripture reference for the next week. They are designed to print front and back on a 8x10 sheet (we usually used colored paper - different colors for each week -helped keep them seperate for the SS office and teachers). We gave these out a week ahead to the SS teachers, then the Pastor or SS leader went over the lesson in the Wed PM SS teachers meeting, kinda taught the lesson briefly. Then at SS the students would get a copy to follow along and keep.

We are reworking the church website, and have added one lesson as a sample, in pdf format.(http://www.smyrnabaptist.org/sundayschool.htm) The pdf file should be 2 pages, when printed on one sheet, front and back, it will fold, with the lesson on the inside. The front cover could be customized, the rear cover has the quiz.

Please access it here and let me know if there is any interest in the project. Smyrna is just starting on the lessons for 2007, which will almost a full year study through the book of John.

If these were compiled and offered on a CD for 1 year of lessons...what would be a fair value, with proceeds going back into the Lord's work.
Comments, suggestions, and questions would be appreciated.
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Old 12-26-2006, 11:40 AM
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I suppose you would get a fair amount of interest from they who will not put the time into their own study.

This is why I personally do not like "quarterlies" and such like things. It is far too easy for the SS teacher to become lazy and not put the effort, prayer and study to present a lesson which God has given them to give to their class.

No offence intended brother.
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Old 12-26-2006, 01:16 PM
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While some people don't like this because of what av1611 said others like it simply because it allows them to be more structured. Our Sunday School teachers are about half and half on their curriculum preparations. I and a few others like to do our own lessons but the other half like to use lesson books or guides to help them bring the lessons down to the grade level they are teaching. They always add their own meat to the skeletons laid out which is most important.

Racer...I know one lady that teaches one of our Sunday School classes (the 4th, 5th, 6th grade class) that loves to use lesson books kind of like what was on your example lesson. The ones she uses aren't as detailed. Hers simply give ideas on the lesson so she can write her own lesson but it has quizzes and activities already made up so she can use.

What grade/age levels are the lessons that your church has? I know that it varies by where you can purchase lesson books but I have seen some books range from $20 to well over $60 based on what is contained and if it is just a few months worth or a whole year.

Our church is always looking for good KJV material that we can use. It's so hard to find now.
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I suppose you would get a fair amount of interest from they who will not put the time into their own study.

This is why I personally do not like "quarterlies" and such like things. It is far too easy for the SS teacher to become lazy and not put the effort, prayer and study to present a lesson which God has given them to give to their class.

No offence intended brother.
Can I ask if you use commentaries or other such tools of the lazy and cold hearted?

I'll not go into all the pros and cons as this would distract from the OP. It just irked me a little to see the above post. I know you meant no offence, but it seems illogical.

Racer, it seems like a good idea. I'm going to have a look now.
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Old 12-26-2006, 07:07 PM
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While some people don't like this because of what av1611 said others like it simply because it allows them to be more structured. Our Sunday School teachers are about half and half on their curriculum preparations. I and a few others like to do our own lessons but the other half like to use lesson books or guides to help them bring the lessons down to the grade level they are teaching. They always add their own meat to the skeletons laid out which is most important.

Racer...I know one lady that teaches one of our Sunday School classes (the 4th, 5th, 6th grade class) that loves to use lesson books kind of like what was on your example lesson. The ones she uses aren't as detailed. Hers simply give ideas on the lesson so she can write her own lesson but it has quizzes and activities already made up so she can use.

What grade/age levels are the lessons that your church has? I know that it varies by where you can purchase lesson books but I have seen some books range from $20 to well over $60 based on what is contained and if it is just a few months worth or a whole year.

Our church is always looking for good KJV material that we can use. It's so hard to find now.
Thanks for all the comments so far. The lessons were originally designed for the entire SS department. They were taught basically from the first grade through the Pastors adult class. Since the lesson is an outline, it could be taught and studied as deep as the teacher wanted to go. Pastor Julian never required the lessons, but felt it did keep the children and the adults on the same page for home discussion, hopefully.

The shear number of scriptures provided, and the outline is a starting point. It isn't designed to just be read to the students.

By the way Jim, do you ever use blueprints when you do carpenter work?
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I gotta agree jim, your post is like us criticizing each other for listening to preachers instead of sitting at home and making up our own sermons..........
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Old 12-26-2006, 09:53 PM
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Who put the work and prayer into these lessons?



Nuff said.


To the brother @ Smyrna: Go for it brother. I am not about to say you ought not sell these things nor should others not use them. I was speaking about my PERSONAL opinion of them. K?

Perhaps I stepped on a couple toes when I included my opinion of they who use them, but there ya'go, huh?

That's what happens when you put something out there for folks to comment on, sometimes there will be someone who disagrees with the idea. No harm.
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Old 12-26-2006, 10:28 PM
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I suppose you would get a fair amount of interest from they who will not put the time into their own study.

This is why I personally do not like "quarterlies" and such like things. It is far too easy for the SS teacher to become lazy and not put the effort, prayer and study to present a lesson which God has given them to give to their class.

No offence intended brother.
While I tend to agree with some of this, at least in part, I would suggest that for one to ignore the contributions of individuals such as the late Dr. H. C. Chiles, who wrote commentary on SS lessons for some 39 years for the KY Baptists, in "The Western Recorder", with almost 4000 lessons, and when he became ill just before his homegoing, remarked that he wished he could have reached the 4000 figure (He actually hit 3970-80, I believe.) with up to three per week for that time, and several times, drove all night from Western KY to Louisville to get them in on time, when not able to mail them timely, and that before any interstates, and was actually late exactly one time during that period, limited by a two foot snowfall which covered the state; or the late Drs. Wilbur M. Smith and Everett F. Harrison of Fuller fame, who were the General editor for Pelobet's Select notes on the International SS Lesson series for 35 years, and wrote SS lessons for the American Sunday School Union for 25 years, respectively, is a bit shortsighted, at best.
Personally, I was privy to read Dr. Chiles lessons in "The Western Recorder" for many years, and believe I learned a thing or two from this reading.

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Our church is always looking for good KJV material that we can use. It's so hard to find now.
Not necessarily sure about the KJV bit, but one can find several good SS lessons, lesson plans, outlines, etc., both in print, and probably on the internet, as well, although I have not checked the last. I know the SBC has up to three resources per each of its three SS lesson curricula. I guess if one wants to be lazy and merely quote or read from these, as some of my (former) teachers have done, it is not the fault of the SBC SS Board, which has never intended nor recommended merely reading a lesson, to my knowledge.

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Not necessarily sure about the KJV bit, but one can find several good SS lessons, lesson plans, outlines, etc., both in print, and probably on the internet, as well, although I have not checked the last. I know the SBC has up to three resources per each of its three SS lesson curricula. I guess if one wants to be lazy and merely quote or read from these, as some of my (former) teachers have done, it is not the fault of the SBC SS Board, which has never intended nor recommended merely reading a lesson, to my knowledge.

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this illustrates my point quite effectively thank you.

While I do not "ignore" such contributions of these fine men, neither do I endorse them. I just believe a person who is in a leadership position such as SS Teacher ought to act the part of leadership and do the work themselves to present a lesson which God has given them, not present what they have copied from some other man's work.
 

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